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| | | Author: | StarBrick  | | Posted: | Jun 16, 2014 06:26 | | Subject: | Fee deduction program | | Viewed: | 317 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | | Status: | Discarded | |
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| As this is still a community build and moderated site, all efforts by members
to improve the site, listings, behaviour of members etc, should result in a discount
on fees to be paid.
Bricklink should have a program that rewards members who:
- catalog contributions
- image improvements
- price guide corrections
- listings corrections
- adding help files/video's/translations
- .....
At this day, only BAD behaviour is santioned (NSS, NPB's, site and forum
bans etc....). Let us not emphasize the negative behaviour but reward the positive
behaviour.
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| | | | | Author: | tonnic | | Posted: | Jun 16, 2014 07:20 | | Subject: | Re: Fee deduction program | | Viewed: | 65 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| I agree.
If you contribute to any of your suggestions for, let's say for instance
at least 10 times (cumulated) you get a reduction of fees of 1% for 1 month.
Or for x contributions x% for 1 month.
They must be good contributions, no loussy pictures or hasty inventories.
Maybe a larger thing like an inventory of a set can have more 'weight'
/ give more points than a supplie of an internet picture of a box or supplie
of weight.
The more work the more points earned.
In Suggestions, StarBrick writes:
| | As this is still a community build and moderated site, all efforts by members
to improve the site, listings, behaviour of members etc, should result in a discount
on fees to be paid.
Bricklink should have a program that rewards members who:
- catalog contributions
- image improvements
- price guide corrections
- listings corrections
- adding help files/video's/translations
- .....
At this day, only BAD behaviour is santioned (NSS, NPB's, site and forum
bans etc....). Let us not emphasize the negative behaviour but reward the positive
behaviour.
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| | | | | Author: | TMM | | Posted: | Jun 16, 2014 07:24 | | Subject: | Re: Fee deduction program | | Viewed: | 44 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, StarBrick writes:
| | As this is still a community build and moderated site, all efforts by members
to improve the site, listings, behaviour of members etc, should result in a discount
on fees to be paid.
Bricklink should have a program that rewards members who:
- catalog contributions
- image improvements
- price guide corrections
- listings corrections
- adding help files/video's/translations
- .....
At this day, only BAD behaviour is santioned (NSS, NPB's, site and forum
bans etc....). Let us not emphasize the negative behaviour but reward the positive
behaviour.
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I voted yes.
I think a points system would work well, different weightings for different things
you do to the catalogue, points = money off your fee's.
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| | | | | | | Author: | StarBrick | | Posted: | Jun 16, 2014 07:28 | | Subject: | Re: Fee deduction program | | Viewed: | 42 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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I think a points system would work well, different weightings for different things
you do to the catalogue, points = money off your fee's.
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Agreed, didn't work that out as there are many ways to do this. Indeed there
has to be a weight factor and time factor to earn points that you can redeem
as fee discounts or coupons at specific stores. Hey, that just sounds like
a membership programm!!
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| | | | | | | Author: | yorbrick | | Posted: | Jun 16, 2014 08:02 | | Subject: | Re: Fee deduction program | | Viewed: | 38 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| I voted no. For the simple reason that if you give discounts for inventories
and so on, then more people will grab them as soon as they can, possibly not
have the set anyway but copy the inventory based on lego's database or the
one imported into brickset or similar, or make errors because they have reserved
too many inventories for themself and need to rush through them to get their
discounts.
I find it a little annoying that people already add items to the database when
they are announced, rather than when they are available at retail. I don't
think you should be allowed to add an item to the database unless you actually
have it.
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | StarBrick | | Posted: | Jun 16, 2014 08:34 | | Subject: | Re: Fee deduction program | | Viewed: | 30 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, mabccc writes:
| | I voted no. For the simple reason that if you give discounts for inventories
and so on, then more people will grab them as soon as they can, possibly not
have the set anyway but copy the inventory based on lego's database or the
one imported into brickset or similar, or make errors because they have reserved
too many inventories for themself and need to rush through them to get their
discounts.
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Than you must not vote no to this idea. Your NO is pointed at the incorrect additions
to the inventory. Only correct (checked, double checked, triple checked, whatever-ple
checked!) additions qualify for points. So that needs to be ruled out.
Errors in additions might also result in deduction of points.
Your vote changed?
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| | | | | | | | | | | Author: | yorbrick | | Posted: | Jun 16, 2014 08:45 | | Subject: | Re: Fee deduction program | | Viewed: | 25 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, StarBrick writes:
| | In Suggestions, mabccc writes:
| | I voted no. For the simple reason that if you give discounts for inventories
and so on, then more people will grab them as soon as they can, possibly not
have the set anyway but copy the inventory based on lego's database or the
one imported into brickset or similar, or make errors because they have reserved
too many inventories for themself and need to rush through them to get their
discounts.
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Than you must not vote no to this idea. Your NO is pointed at the incorrect additions
to the inventory. Only correct (checked, double checked, triple checked, whatever-ple
checked!) additions qualify for points. So that needs to be ruled out.
Errors in additions might also result in deduction of points.
Your vote changed?
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It is not that I don't think people should be rewarded for their contributions,
it is that by rewarding them I think you will get more errors, since people will
do it for the reward. There will also be a rush to grab the chance to do an inventory,
even if you (the person doing the inventory, not you) will not do it straight
away. Which could lead to delays in inventorying sets as they get blocked (although
that also seems to happen now anyway).
Maybe a way to get better crowd-sourced inventorying is to allow 3-5 people to
do the inventory for one set at the same time. Matching parts could be taken
as correct, and where they differ they could be taken as less than 100% certain.
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| | | | | Author: | Biodreamer | | Posted: | Jun 16, 2014 07:32 | | Subject: | Re: Fee deduction program | | Viewed: | 59 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, StarBrick writes:
| | As this is still a community build and moderated site, all efforts by members
to improve the site, listings, behaviour of members etc, should result in a discount
on fees to be paid.
Bricklink should have a program that rewards members who:
- catalog contributions
- image improvements
- price guide corrections
- listings corrections
- adding help files/video's/translations
- .....
At this day, only BAD behaviour is santioned (NSS, NPB's, site and forum
bans etc....). Let us not emphasize the negative behaviour but reward the positive
behaviour.
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what about buyers that don't have a store. Shouldn't they get something
back, should they get a universal coupon they can use to get a discount while
the seller get the same discount in fees.
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| | | | | | | Author: | StarBrick | | Posted: | Jun 16, 2014 07:47 | | Subject: | Re: Fee deduction program | | Viewed: | 42 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| Interesting distinction between sellers and buyers, but ANY member can contribute.
So as a buyer doesn't have to pay BL fee's indeed, they might be up for
a generic store coupon on redeeming points. This coupon should be redeemable
at ANY store.
Nice addition !
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| | | | | | | Author: | TMM | | Posted: | Jun 16, 2014 08:09 | | Subject: | Re: Fee deduction program | | Viewed: | 31 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, Biodreamer writes:
| | In Suggestions, StarBrick writes:
| | As this is still a community build and moderated site, all efforts by members
to improve the site, listings, behaviour of members etc, should result in a discount
on fees to be paid.
Bricklink should have a program that rewards members who:
- catalog contributions
- image improvements
- price guide corrections
- listings corrections
- adding help files/video's/translations
- .....
At this day, only BAD behaviour is santioned (NSS, NPB's, site and forum
bans etc....). Let us not emphasize the negative behaviour but reward the positive
behaviour.
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what about buyers that don't have a store. Shouldn't they get something
back, should they get a universal coupon they can use to get a discount while
the seller get the same discount in fees.
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Then you could argue sellers may want it as a store coupon too, and that would
cost BL more than just fee reduction. I agree it needs to happen for just buyers
on BL just pointing out a possible flaw 
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | Biodreamer | | Posted: | Jun 16, 2014 08:30 | | Subject: | Re: Fee deduction program | | Viewed: | 41 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, Cora123 writes:
| | In Suggestions, Biodreamer writes:
| | In Suggestions, StarBrick writes:
| | As this is still a community build and moderated site, all efforts by members
to improve the site, listings, behaviour of members etc, should result in a discount
on fees to be paid.
Bricklink should have a program that rewards members who:
- catalog contributions
- image improvements
- price guide corrections
- listings corrections
- adding help files/video's/translations
- .....
At this day, only BAD behaviour is santioned (NSS, NPB's, site and forum
bans etc....). Let us not emphasize the negative behaviour but reward the positive
behaviour.
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what about buyers that don't have a store. Shouldn't they get something
back, should they get a universal coupon they can use to get a discount while
the seller get the same discount in fees.
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Then you could argue sellers may want it as a store coupon too, and that would
cost BL more than just fee reduction. I agree it needs to happen for just buyers
on BL just pointing out a possible flaw
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No it wouldn't, issueing coupons could be as automatic as reducing fees.
it the same amount indepedent on what method you use. 5$ fee reduction is a 5$
fee reducion independent on if it used in your own store as a seller or in another
sellers store to BL it would be the same amount. The only cost involved is building
the system, and if they consider it from the beginning it's not harder to
build a system that reward either buyer or seller then only rewarding the seller.
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| | | | | | | | | | | Author: | TMM | | Posted: | Jun 16, 2014 08:43 | | Subject: | Re: Fee deduction program | | Viewed: | 26 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, Biodreamer writes:
| | In Suggestions, Cora123 writes:
| | In Suggestions, Biodreamer writes:
| | In Suggestions, StarBrick writes:
| | As this is still a community build and moderated site, all efforts by members
to improve the site, listings, behaviour of members etc, should result in a discount
on fees to be paid.
Bricklink should have a program that rewards members who:
- catalog contributions
- image improvements
- price guide corrections
- listings corrections
- adding help files/video's/translations
- .....
At this day, only BAD behaviour is santioned (NSS, NPB's, site and forum
bans etc....). Let us not emphasize the negative behaviour but reward the positive
behaviour.
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what about buyers that don't have a store. Shouldn't they get something
back, should they get a universal coupon they can use to get a discount while
the seller get the same discount in fees.
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Then you could argue sellers may want it as a store coupon too, and that would
cost BL more than just fee reduction. I agree it needs to happen for just buyers
on BL just pointing out a possible flaw
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No it wouldn't, issueing coupons could be as automatic as reducing fees.
it the same amount indepedent on what method you use. 5$ fee reduction is a 5$
fee reducion independent on if it used in your own store as a seller or in another
sellers store to BL it would be the same amount. The only cost involved is building
the system, and if they consider it from the beginning it's not harder to
build a system that reward either buyer or seller then only rewarding the seller.
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I think you missed what I am trying to say.
The cost of reducing fee's in the points programme for sellers would be much
cheaper than giving people credit to spend on BL, this is where BL would have
to use their own money to do so.
That's at least what I believe from the system in place.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | yorbrick | | Posted: | Jun 16, 2014 08:47 | | Subject: | Re: Fee deduction program | | Viewed: | 33 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, Cora123 writes:
| | In Suggestions, Biodreamer writes:
| | In Suggestions, Cora123 writes:
| | In Suggestions, Biodreamer writes:
| | In Suggestions, StarBrick writes:
| | As this is still a community build and moderated site, all efforts by members
to improve the site, listings, behaviour of members etc, should result in a discount
on fees to be paid.
Bricklink should have a program that rewards members who:
- catalog contributions
- image improvements
- price guide corrections
- listings corrections
- adding help files/video's/translations
- .....
At this day, only BAD behaviour is santioned (NSS, NPB's, site and forum
bans etc....). Let us not emphasize the negative behaviour but reward the positive
behaviour.
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what about buyers that don't have a store. Shouldn't they get something
back, should they get a universal coupon they can use to get a discount while
the seller get the same discount in fees.
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Then you could argue sellers may want it as a store coupon too, and that would
cost BL more than just fee reduction. I agree it needs to happen for just buyers
on BL just pointing out a possible flaw
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No it wouldn't, issueing coupons could be as automatic as reducing fees.
it the same amount indepedent on what method you use. 5$ fee reduction is a 5$
fee reducion independent on if it used in your own store as a seller or in another
sellers store to BL it would be the same amount. The only cost involved is building
the system, and if they consider it from the beginning it's not harder to
build a system that reward either buyer or seller then only rewarding the seller.
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I think you missed what I am trying to say.
The cost of reducing fee's in the points programme for sellers would be much
cheaper than giving people credit to spend on BL, this is where BL would have
to use their own money to do so.
That's at least what I believe from the system in place.
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They could do $2 off fees or $1 off orders for the same work. That way, sellers
would presumably opt for the money off fees rather than money off orders.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | Biodreamer | | Posted: | Jun 16, 2014 09:34 | | Subject: | Re: Fee deduction program | | Viewed: | 28 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, Cora123 writes:
| | In Suggestions, Biodreamer writes:
| | In Suggestions, Cora123 writes:
| | In Suggestions, Biodreamer writes:
| | In Suggestions, StarBrick writes:
| | As this is still a community build and moderated site, all efforts by members
to improve the site, listings, behaviour of members etc, should result in a discount
on fees to be paid.
Bricklink should have a program that rewards members who:
- catalog contributions
- image improvements
- price guide corrections
- listings corrections
- adding help files/video's/translations
- .....
At this day, only BAD behaviour is santioned (NSS, NPB's, site and forum
bans etc....). Let us not emphasize the negative behaviour but reward the positive
behaviour.
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what about buyers that don't have a store. Shouldn't they get something
back, should they get a universal coupon they can use to get a discount while
the seller get the same discount in fees.
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Then you could argue sellers may want it as a store coupon too, and that would
cost BL more than just fee reduction. I agree it needs to happen for just buyers
on BL just pointing out a possible flaw
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No it wouldn't, issueing coupons could be as automatic as reducing fees.
it the same amount indepedent on what method you use. 5$ fee reduction is a 5$
fee reducion independent on if it used in your own store as a seller or in another
sellers store to BL it would be the same amount. The only cost involved is building
the system, and if they consider it from the beginning it's not harder to
build a system that reward either buyer or seller then only rewarding the seller.
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I think you missed what I am trying to say.
The cost of reducing fee's in the points programme for sellers would be much
cheaper than giving people credit to spend on BL, this is where BL would have
to use their own money to do so.
That's at least what I believe from the system in place.
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No it would all be virtual money not real money so it wouldn't cost them
anything. if your refering to the small case of a high debit buyer buys from
a tiny store that never will beable to reddem the value in lesser fees. it can
be fixed by applying restictions to the coupons.
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| | | | | Author: | bb363828 | | Posted: | Jun 16, 2014 08:03 | | Subject: | Re: Fee deduction program | | Viewed: | 29 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| Voted yes!
Great idea!
In Suggestions, StarBrick writes:
| | As this is still a community build and moderated site, all efforts by members
to improve the site, listings, behaviour of members etc, should result in a discount
on fees to be paid.
Bricklink should have a program that rewards members who:
- catalog contributions
- image improvements
- price guide corrections
- listings corrections
- adding help files/video's/translations
- .....
At this day, only BAD behaviour is santioned (NSS, NPB's, site and forum
bans etc....). Let us not emphasize the negative behaviour but reward the positive
behaviour.
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| | | | | Author: | picabo | | Posted: | Jun 16, 2014 08:14 | | Subject: | Re: Fee deduction program | | Viewed: | 34 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, StarBrick writes:
| | As this is still a community build and moderated site, all efforts by members
to improve the site, listings, behaviour of members etc, should result in a discount
on fees to be paid.
Bricklink should have a program that rewards members who:
- catalog contributions
- image improvements
- price guide corrections
- listings corrections
- adding help files/video's/translations
- .....
At this day, only BAD behaviour is santioned (NSS, NPB's, site and forum
bans etc....). Let us not emphasize the negative behaviour but reward the positive
behaviour.
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That's an absolute yes. And, yes, to a buyer incentive as well.
Pam
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| | | | | Author: | 1977_mauro | | Posted: | Jun 16, 2014 08:17 | | Subject: | Re: Fee deduction program | | Viewed: | 28 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| Good idea, this would mean less fee money for BL but in this way they would save
money for 'professional' inventory employees...
In Suggestions, StarBrick writes:
| | As this is still a community build and moderated site, all efforts by members
to improve the site, listings, behaviour of members etc, should result in a discount
on fees to be paid.
Bricklink should have a program that rewards members who:
- catalog contributions
- image improvements
- price guide corrections
- listings corrections
- adding help files/video's/translations
- .....
At this day, only BAD behaviour is santioned (NSS, NPB's, site and forum
bans etc....). Let us not emphasize the negative behaviour but reward the positive
behaviour.
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| | | | | Author: | Miro78 | | Posted: | Jun 16, 2014 08:35 | | Subject: | Re: Fee deduction program | | Viewed: | 39 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, StarBrick writes:
| | As this is still a community build and moderated site, all efforts by members
to improve the site, listings, behaviour of members etc, should result in a discount
on fees to be paid.
Bricklink should have a program that rewards members who:
- catalog contributions
- image improvements
- price guide corrections
- listings corrections
- adding help files/video's/translations
- .....
At this day, only BAD behaviour is santioned (NSS, NPB's, site and forum
bans etc....). Let us not emphasize the negative behaviour but reward the positive
behaviour.
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I like this idea. I think if it was handled as a point system, that way after
accumulating certain amount of points, one could choose how one wants to be rewarded.
Don't forget that some contributors are not sellers, but buyers only. So
there will need to be a reward system in the form a free set, coupon to any store,
etc.
Although I do not know if the quality of the inventories, pictures and such would
improve or not, as some may be hasty to get it done. However, submissions can
be declined if they don't meet quality and completeness standards. Perhaps
the submitter can be given another try within a timeframe to correct the listing
to control for quality/completeness.
Miro
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| | | | | | | Author: | Yogi_007 | | Posted: | Jun 16, 2014 08:45 | | Subject: | Re: Fee deduction program | | Viewed: | 24 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, Miro78 writes:
| | In Suggestions, StarBrick writes:
| | As this is still a community build and moderated site, all efforts by members
to improve the site, listings, behaviour of members etc, should result in a discount
on fees to be paid.
Bricklink should have a program that rewards members who:
- catalog contributions
- image improvements
- price guide corrections
- listings corrections
- adding help files/video's/translations
- .....
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I like this idea but what about those buyers that contribute but are not sellers
- how would this system work for those individuals ?
Just a thought.
Yogi
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | Miro78 | | Posted: | Jun 16, 2014 09:03 | | Subject: | Re: Fee deduction program | | Viewed: | 43 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, Yogi_007 writes:
| | In Suggestions, Miro78 writes:
| | In Suggestions, StarBrick writes:
| | As this is still a community build and moderated site, all efforts by members
to improve the site, listings, behaviour of members etc, should result in a discount
on fees to be paid.
Bricklink should have a program that rewards members who:
- catalog contributions
- image improvements
- price guide corrections
- listings corrections
- adding help files/video's/translations
- .....
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I like this idea but what about those buyers that contribute but are not sellers
- how would this system work for those individuals ?
Just a thought.
Yogi
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Probably the best solution would be to treat these something like VIP points
at lego shop at home site. The points can be then redeemed for either purchases
at any participating store, MOC shop or for BL monthly fee dues.
The way it would be handled from buyer to seller for purchases, would be by a
direct point transfer from buyer to the seller. The seller than would use these
for BL monthly fee reduction, MOC shop or other BL store purchases.
The reason I state that the buyer could use them with "participating" stores
is because some people want only cash and not point transfers, however, those
sellers that would accept them would in return gain the customer. The seller
could always set a limit that only an X % or X $ amount of points can be used
for any single purchase, to give the seller some flexibility.
I think this system would work for all the parties, buyer, seller and BL.
What do you think?
Miro
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| | | | | | | | | | | Author: | bb53904 | | Posted: | Jun 16, 2014 09:16 | | Subject: | Re: Fee deduction program | | Viewed: | 50 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, Miro78 writes:
| | In Suggestions, Yogi_007 writes:
| | In Suggestions, Miro78 writes:
| | In Suggestions, StarBrick writes:
| | As this is still a community build and moderated site, all efforts by members
to improve the site, listings, behaviour of members etc, should result in a discount
on fees to be paid.
Bricklink should have a program that rewards members who:
- catalog contributions
- image improvements
- price guide corrections
- listings corrections
- adding help files/video's/translations
- .....
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I like this idea but what about those buyers that contribute but are not sellers
- how would this system work for those individuals ?
Just a thought.
Yogi
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Probably the best solution would be to treat these something like VIP points
at lego shop at home site. The points can be then redeemed for either purchases
at any participating store, MOC shop or for BL monthly fee dues.
The way it would be handled from buyer to seller for purchases, would be by a
direct point transfer from buyer to the seller. The seller than would use these
for BL monthly fee reduction, MOC shop or other BL store purchases.
The reason I state that the buyer could use them with "participating" stores
is because some people want only cash and not point transfers, however, those
sellers that would accept them would in return gain the customer. The seller
could always set a limit that only an X % or X $ amount of points can be used
for any single purchase, to give the seller some flexibility.
I think this system would work for all the parties, buyer, seller and BL.
What do you think?
Miro
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I'm not voting, just pointing something out.
Who will do all the bookwork for these points? Will BrickLink end up paying
someone to do it, or will it become another chore for the volunteer admins?
Thea
Always Learning!
(used to be a bookkeeper)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | LastingToysInc | | Posted: | Jun 16, 2014 09:27 | | Subject: | Re: Fee deduction program | | Viewed: | 48 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, Thea writes:
| | In Suggestions, Miro78 writes:
| | In Suggestions, Yogi_007 writes:
| | In Suggestions, Miro78 writes:
| | In Suggestions, StarBrick writes:
| | As this is still a community build and moderated site, all efforts by members
to improve the site, listings, behaviour of members etc, should result in a discount
on fees to be paid.
Bricklink should have a program that rewards members who:
- catalog contributions
- image improvements
- price guide corrections
- listings corrections
- adding help files/video's/translations
- .....
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I like this idea but what about those buyers that contribute but are not sellers
- how would this system work for those individuals ?
Just a thought.
Yogi
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Probably the best solution would be to treat these something like VIP points
at lego shop at home site. The points can be then redeemed for either purchases
at any participating store, MOC shop or for BL monthly fee dues.
The way it would be handled from buyer to seller for purchases, would be by a
direct point transfer from buyer to the seller. The seller than would use these
for BL monthly fee reduction, MOC shop or other BL store purchases.
The reason I state that the buyer could use them with "participating" stores
is because some people want only cash and not point transfers, however, those
sellers that would accept them would in return gain the customer. The seller
could always set a limit that only an X % or X $ amount of points can be used
for any single purchase, to give the seller some flexibility.
I think this system would work for all the parties, buyer, seller and BL.
What do you think?
Miro
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I'm not voting, just pointing something out.
Who will do all the bookwork for these points? Will BrickLink end up paying
someone to do it, or will it become another chore for the volunteer admins?
Thea
Always Learning!
(used to be a bookkeeper)
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And what about those who already contributed massive amounts of work on the catalog??
Kinda unfair since at this point there is more in the catalog from prior people,
than being added.
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| | | And what about those who already contributed massive amounts of work on the catalog??
Kinda unfair since at this point there is more in the catalog from prior people,
than being added.
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They did it for love, not money.
Or for the community, not Bricklink Ltd.
Whichever you prefer.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | StarBrick | | Posted: | Jun 16, 2014 09:49 | | Subject: | Re: Fee deduction program -> BAP!!! | | Viewed: | 45 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| | | And what about those who already contributed massive amounts of work on the catalog??
Kinda unfair since at this point there is more in the catalog from prior people,
than being added.
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Where that came frome is stored in the database, so that can be used to give
points to admissions placed already. Also that's a small coding job I guess
Data is there, infrastructure too, it all needs some thinking and programming
and then LAUNCHING the BrickLink Appreciation Program = BAP!!!
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Who will do all the bookwork for these points? Will BrickLink end up paying
someone to do it, or will it become another chore for the volunteer admins?
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With all those programming experts on board this must be a piece of cake to automate
that process!
Even some MOC-Shop coding could be re-used. That was the purpose of the platform
right? For Bricklink 2.0 or 2.1 or 3.0.... ah, you know what I mean, nudge, nudge,
wink, wink...
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | Miro78 | | Posted: | Jun 16, 2014 09:47 | | Subject: | Re: Fee deduction program | | Viewed: | 43 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, Thea writes:
| | In Suggestions, Miro78 writes:
| | In Suggestions, Yogi_007 writes:
| | In Suggestions, Miro78 writes:
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| | As this is still a community build and moderated site, all efforts by members
to improve the site, listings, behaviour of members etc, should result in a discount
on fees to be paid.
Bricklink should have a program that rewards members who:
- catalog contributions
- image improvements
- price guide corrections
- listings corrections
- adding help files/video's/translations
- .....
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I like this idea but what about those buyers that contribute but are not sellers
- how would this system work for those individuals ?
Just a thought.
Yogi
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Probably the best solution would be to treat these something like VIP points
at lego shop at home site. The points can be then redeemed for either purchases
at any participating store, MOC shop or for BL monthly fee dues.
The way it would be handled from buyer to seller for purchases, would be by a
direct point transfer from buyer to the seller. The seller than would use these
for BL monthly fee reduction, MOC shop or other BL store purchases.
The reason I state that the buyer could use them with "participating" stores
is because some people want only cash and not point transfers, however, those
sellers that would accept them would in return gain the customer. The seller
could always set a limit that only an X % or X $ amount of points can be used
for any single purchase, to give the seller some flexibility.
I think this system would work for all the parties, buyer, seller and BL.
What do you think?
Miro
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I'm not voting, just pointing something out.
Who will do all the bookwork for these points? Will BrickLink end up paying
someone to do it, or will it become another chore for the volunteer admins?
Thea
Always Learning!
(used to be a bookkeeper)
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I think it would be automated. No different than fee accumulation, and any other
data that BL is handling at the moment. This site is already set up for this
sort of information.
However, with the state the BL 1.0 is and the limitation of what can and cannot
be handled, I don't see this being implemented until BL 3.0 rolls out.
Regarding previous entries, it's up to BL how they want to award those members.
If not with the current point system, then perhaps with some sort of a gift.
Although I think many would be happy to see the change of catalog ownership being
transferred back to the communities' hands, and have BL be the site that
hosts and benefits from it. I hope I am not reopening this debate all over again.
Miro
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | StarBrick | | Posted: | Jun 16, 2014 09:50 | | Subject: | Re: Fee deduction program | | Viewed: | 35 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| | | I think it would be automated. No different than fee accumulation, and any other
data that BL is handling at the moment. This site is already set up for this
sort of information.
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Yes indeed it is. Just other ways of using the data, easy for the coding wizzards.
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| | | | | Author: | LordSkylark | | Posted: | Jun 16, 2014 10:16 | | Subject: | Re: Fee deduction program | | Viewed: | 39 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, StarBrick writes:
| | As this is still a community build and moderated site, all efforts by members
to improve the site, listings, behaviour of members etc, should result in a discount
on fees to be paid.
Bricklink should have a program that rewards members who:
- catalog contributions
- image improvements
- price guide corrections
- listings corrections
- adding help files/video's/translations
- .....
At this day, only BAD behaviour is santioned (NSS, NPB's, site and forum
bans etc....). Let us not emphasize the negative behaviour but reward the positive
behaviour.
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I would also add, possibly about giving some sort of credit for previous catalog
submissions as well. Some people (like myself) have quite a bit of time invested.
Andy
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| | | | | Author: | speshy | | Posted: | Jun 16, 2014 10:33 | | Subject: | Re: Fee deduction program | | Viewed: | 45 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| Sorry to be the only voice of dissent so far, but I am going to have to vote
"no" for this one, and it's not just because I haven't yet contributed
anything to the catalog.
I think as a business idea, it is terrible. Simply put: why pay people for a
volunteer service? It may slash some turnaround time, but it adds a slew of
other problems, including cuts to BL's bottom line.
But more important than that, I think even the suggestion alone might be detrimental
to the current system. Already we have some replies about past contributors
looking for rewards--as in, immediate rewards for years of work. Once the
seed is planted that this work should not be done for free, you will have people
lining up waiting for a payout.
Furthermore, once you begin a rewards system, it will be VERY difficult in the
future if the need came to shut it down (BL hitting hard times), to revert to
the volunteer system. The idea will already be entrenched that this work should
not be done for free, and I suspect very little will get done after, or it will
take a long time for the volunteerism to resurface.
Of course you may get those users like myself, who will be happy to weigh out
a set here and there to earn some rewards, when I was not so interested before
(but a HUGE thank you to the current volunteers! Your work is extremely helpful).
But, like others mentioned, I'm sure the tasks will get snatched up very
quickly.
I would also not be so interested in accepting "points" as payment, because my
fees aren't too high to begin with, being a small store. Points for free
sets, though? That I like.
K
In Suggestions, StarBrick writes:
| | As this is still a community build and moderated site, all efforts by members
to improve the site, listings, behaviour of members etc, should result in a discount
on fees to be paid.
Bricklink should have a program that rewards members who:
- catalog contributions
- image improvements
- price guide corrections
- listings corrections
- adding help files/video's/translations
- .....
At this day, only BAD behaviour is santioned (NSS, NPB's, site and forum
bans etc....). Let us not emphasize the negative behaviour but reward the positive
behaviour.
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| | | | | | | Author: | StarBrick | | Posted: | Jun 16, 2014 10:55 | | Subject: | Re: Fee deduction program | | Viewed: | 43 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, speshy writes:
| | Sorry to be the only voice of dissent so far, but I am going to have to vote
"no" for this one, and it's not just because I haven't yet contributed
anything to the catalog.
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No need for a sorry, free speak, free thought
| | I would also not be so interested in accepting "points" as payment, because my
fees aren't too high to begin with, being a small store. Points for free
sets, though? That I like.
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So, basically you do favor a rewarding system, but don't agree on the reward?
Confusing.... You can not be pro another reward and be anti the rewarding system.
That doesn't add up.
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | speshy | | Posted: | Jun 16, 2014 12:01 | | Subject: | Re: Fee deduction program | | Viewed: | 46 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| You're right; that last part wasn't clear.
I do not favor the rewarding system. I was merely imagining the reward I'd
enjoy most if the system were implemented. I still prefer it not be implemented.
K
In Suggestions, StarBrick writes:
| | In Suggestions, speshy writes:
| | Sorry to be the only voice of dissent so far, but I am going to have to vote
"no" for this one, and it's not just because I haven't yet contributed
anything to the catalog.
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No need for a sorry, free speak, free thought
| | I would also not be so interested in accepting "points" as payment, because my
fees aren't too high to begin with, being a small store. Points for free
sets, though? That I like.
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So, basically you do favor a rewarding system, but don't agree on the reward?
Confusing.... You can not be pro another reward and be anti the rewarding system.
That doesn't add up.
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| | | | | Author: | Nikilyn | | Posted: | Jun 16, 2014 12:09 | | Subject: | Re: Fee deduction program | | Viewed: | 49 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, StarBrick writes:
| | As this is still a community build and moderated site, all efforts by members
to improve the site, listings, behaviour of members etc, should result in a discount
on fees to be paid.
Bricklink should have a program that rewards members who:
- catalog contributions
- image improvements
- price guide corrections
- listings corrections
- adding help files/video's/translations
- .....
At this day, only BAD behaviour is santioned (NSS, NPB's, site and forum
bans etc....). Let us not emphasize the negative behaviour but reward the positive
behaviour.
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I do contribue to the catalog, though not much anymore because I do not agree
with the way the system works and I no longer wish to contribute (unless I have
to or need something in the catalog). I think this idea will not work. If someone
wants to contribute then go for it. Adding a reward will just slow the whole
process down I believe. What if someone reserved say 5 sets to inventory. Then
took their time doing them. Someone else could take one, but then the first person
would lose their reward so they may not want to give any up. Another example,
I recently submitted some items to the catalog, no one else had, the set I took
the items from had been out for awhile, I looked to make sure nothing had been
submitted yet. Then I submitted the item and submitted small and large images
I took from brickset. I see the items approved in a few days, but they only approved
my item and then approved pictures from someone else even though we had both
got them from the same place. Now I was already a bit upset about that. If someone
takes the time to submit items then their pictures should be approved if available.
If there was a reward system, I would have complained to someone to get my reward.
Now a similar example. Many people submit items to the catalog even though they
don't have a set on hand. They can not take any pictures. So items sit and
no one knows what the hold up is. I myself over the last year or two have had
people tell me they saw an item on a another website or saw the instructions
on lego.com and submitted stuff to the catalog not having them in hand. This
causes MANY sellers on Bricklink to be stuck waiting for stuff to be approved
cause someone did only half the work. Now imagine if a reward was thrown in.
This type of situation could get worse.
I think a reward is just not going to work and will cause more problems then
not. Instead things need to be done like updating and clarifying instructions
and how to's on submitting to the catalog. Enforcing simple rules like a
person can only reserve a set for 3 days and then a pending inventory must be
up or the set is unreserved. As suggested before Bricklnik should make a webpage
that lists all the alternates Lego currently makes so that catalog submitters,
stores and buyers have a go to reference for these items. A submitter should
be required to have a set or item on hand and each submitter of an item should
be required to also submit the images. It should all be done on one page instead
of in two sections on 3 different pages. I can think of many more as I am sure
those who know me, know the catalog issues always seem to get me going lol.
Let's fix the system first. I am sure there are plenty of people out their
like me who would contribute. As a reward instead of something monetary, how
about making more honored stores slots. Right now it is 3 and 3 for images and
lots, but 1 person can hold a spot on both sides. I suggest this be changed.
Maybe make it 3 and 3 without the duplication so 6 stores are always honored.
Concerning the rest of the list. I am already worried about fees going up. We
keep hearing about teams of people working on the site, well teams of people
cost money. I am sure Alice, and Sean are not volunteering 100% of their time.
These things cost money. Also doesn't the moc shop have a higher fee? If
that is the basis for the next Bricklink then maybe they have already decided
to raise fees and don't want to scare anyone away yet until we see the new
site. What is 1% off of your fees or a fancy giftcard if Bricklink raises fees
2-3% to pay for it all?
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| | | | | Author: | bb53904 | | Posted: | Jun 16, 2014 23:04 | | Subject: | Re: Fee deduction program | | Viewed: | 43 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, StarBrick writes:
| | As this is still a community build and moderated site, all efforts by members
to improve the site, listings, behaviour of members etc, should result in a discount
on fees to be paid.
Bricklink should have a program that rewards members who:
- catalog contributions
- image improvements
- price guide corrections
- listings corrections
- adding help files/video's/translations
- .....
At this day, only BAD behaviour is santioned (NSS, NPB's, site and forum
bans etc....). Let us not emphasize the negative behaviour but reward the positive
behaviour.
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Although I do not know if the quality of the inventories, pictures and such would
improve or not, as some may be hasty to get it done. However, submissions can
be declined if they don't meet quality and completeness standards. Perhaps
the submitter can be given another try within a timeframe to correct the listing
to control for quality/completeness.
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Miro made this statement and I responded with my question about who will do the
bookwork. Then others said it could be automated.
BUT it can't be automated because SOMEONE, a human being, has to make the
decision about the quality.
Someone has to determine if the source of the data is acceptable.
Someone has to tick the box that says resubmit.
Someone has to decide if the re-submitted item is now of good quality.
Someone has to tick the box to determine how many points the submitter gets.
It's fine to say you can use the data in an automated way, but SOMEONE has
to supply the data first!
WHO WILL THAT BE?
Thea
I learned GIGO(garbage in=garbage out) from coding invoices for keypunch operators
in the 70s, because
I had to pay for the unusable key-punch cards if I submitted the garbage.
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