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There was a post earlier about bricklink over seeing bad sellers, I cant remember
where. I vote yes to a complaint section to have administrator's review
complaints about poor seller's. I received a order I placed a while back,
well first off I never recieved any messages back from the seller, they mailed
out the package 5days after there store terms sead they do.not usually a problem
since I typically send a message like ( hi just checking in to se if the payment
got to you thanks) the seller always contacts me back with yep got it will be
sending out soon got a little bizzy. That is no problem but from this seller
nothing.

so when the package arrived I was very unhappy now take a look at the packaging(
lack of bubble wrap ore any type of protection. But I did get some religious
propaganda that I didn't order. And yes the parts were just in thin cardboard
with tape around it from post office. I have not left feedback yet was waiting
to calm down. Will update in a bit if you want the name of the seller pm me for
now till I post the feedback.
 








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In Suggestions, brix4kix writes:
  There was a post earlier about bricklink over seeing bad sellers, I cant remember
where. I vote yes to a complaint section to have administrator's review
complaints about poor seller's. I received a order I placed a while back,
well first off I never recieved any messages back from the seller, they mailed
out the package 5days after there store terms sead they do.not usually a problem
since I typically send a message like ( hi just checking in to se if the payment
got to you thanks) the seller always contacts me back with yep got it will be
sending out soon got a little bizzy. That is no problem but from this seller
nothing.

so when the package arrived I was very unhappy now take a look at the packaging(
lack of bubble wrap ore any type of protection. But I did get some religious
propaganda that I didn't order. And yes the parts were just in thin cardboard
with tape around it from post office. I have not left feedback yet was waiting
to calm down. Will update in a bit if you want the name of the seller pm me for
now till I post the feedback.
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 Posted: Jun 9, 2014 23:43
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In Suggestions, dee6128 writes:
  Was there anything missing from your order? Was there damage?

the counts were off and parts are scratched terribly, they are used but they
are all filler pieces now.

They just dumped them all in a thick paper, folded and then taped.
  



In Suggestions, brix4kix writes:
  There was a post earlier about bricklink over seeing bad sellers, I cant remember
where. I vote yes to a complaint section to have administrator's review
complaints about poor seller's. I received a order I placed a while back,
well first off I never recieved any messages back from the seller, they mailed
out the package 5days after there store terms sead they do.not usually a problem
since I typically send a message like ( hi just checking in to se if the payment
got to you thanks) the seller always contacts me back with yep got it will be
sending out soon got a little bizzy. That is no problem but from this seller
nothing.

so when the package arrived I was very unhappy now take a look at the packaging(
lack of bubble wrap ore any type of protection. But I did get some religious
propaganda that I didn't order. And yes the parts were just in thin cardboard
with tape around it from post office. I have not left feedback yet was waiting
to calm down. Will update in a bit if you want the name of the seller pm me for
now till I post the feedback.
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In Suggestions, brix4kix writes:
  In Suggestions, dee6128 writes:
  Was there anything missing from your order? Was there damage?

the counts were off and parts are scratched terribly, they are used but they
are all filler pieces now.

They just dumped them all in a thick paper, folded and then taped.
  



In Suggestions, brix4kix writes:
  There was a post earlier about bricklink over seeing bad sellers, I cant remember
where. I vote yes to a complaint section to have administrator's review
complaints about poor seller's. I received a order I placed a while back,
well first off I never recieved any messages back from the seller, they mailed
out the package 5days after there store terms sead they do.not usually a problem
since I typically send a message like ( hi just checking in to se if the payment
got to you thanks) the seller always contacts me back with yep got it will be
sending out soon got a little bizzy. That is no problem but from this seller
nothing.

so when the package arrived I was very unhappy now take a look at the packaging(
lack of bubble wrap ore any type of protection. But I did get some religious
propaganda that I didn't order. And yes the parts were just in thin cardboard
with tape around it from post office. I have not left feedback yet was waiting
to calm down. Will update in a bit if you want the name of the seller pm me for
now till I post the feedback.

Really this is the only thing that I would have dinged the seller for: they provided
a bad product that was significantly not as described. I'd ask them for
a full refund for any of the parts that are in any way not as described. If that
doesn't work, the NSS/SNAD route is probably your best bet.
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 Author: LottaBricks View Messages Posted By LottaBricks
 Posted: Jun 10, 2014 07:47
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This is my first time using a forum so I hope I am doing this correctly. First
of all, the bricks didn't need bubble wrap. Maybe some tissue paper, but
bubble wrap is excessive. Some of the bricks were marked playworn in my store
and thats what they were. Playworn. The count was correct. I see that the condition
of the bricks and the counts were supposedly wrong in a reply to someone. I sell
about 150 packages a month on other online sites (all with feedback forums) including
Bricklink for many years. It is rare to have a complaint about my packaging.
If my packaging was SOOO bad don't you think I would have changed my methods?
Second, I didn't get an email from Paypal with payment confirmation. This
happens on occasion and causes a package to be sent later then expected. I replied
to the buyer through Comcast email and told him the problem. I shipped quickly.
Third, an angry hateful email and negative feedback first? No opportunity for
discussion? I find that to be a problem. I left postive feedback after shipping.
There was no chance for retaliatory feedback as stated in another post by the
buyer. Fourth, the card in the package is simply a business card. Website, email
address, John 3:16 and a statement at the bottom. My Lord Jesus Christ told His
followers to go into all the world and teach about Him. Matthew 24:14
And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness
unto all nations; and then shall the end come.

Mark 16:15
And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every
creature.
This is my way of going into all the world. If you don't want the card just
throw it out. I have given thousands of these cards out. Reactions are interesting.
Some tell me they will never buy from me, others want cards to give out themselves.
I send a thank you to all that were cool with my beliefs. I appreciate people
who are honest enough to say its ok to tell what you believe even if they don't
believe in it themselves. Tolerance is a rare thing these days. Thank you for
your time to whoever reads this.
In Suggestions, ScootersBricks writes:
  In Suggestions, brix4kix writes:
  In Suggestions, dee6128 writes:
  Was there anything missing from your order? Was there damage?

the counts were off and parts are scratched terribly, they are used but they
are all filler pieces now.

They just dumped them all in a thick paper, folded and then taped.
  



In Suggestions, brix4kix writes:
  There was a post earlier about bricklink over seeing bad sellers, I cant remember
where. I vote yes to a complaint section to have administrator's review
complaints about poor seller's. I received a order I placed a while back,
well first off I never recieved any messages back from the seller, they mailed
out the package 5days after there store terms sead they do.not usually a problem
since I typically send a message like ( hi just checking in to se if the payment
got to you thanks) the seller always contacts me back with yep got it will be
sending out soon got a little bizzy. That is no problem but from this seller
nothing.

so when the package arrived I was very unhappy now take a look at the packaging(
lack of bubble wrap ore any type of protection. But I did get some religious
propaganda that I didn't order. And yes the parts were just in thin cardboard
with tape around it from post office. I have not left feedback yet was waiting
to calm down. Will update in a bit if you want the name of the seller pm me for
now till I post the feedback.

Really this is the only thing that I would have dinged the seller for: they provided
a bad product that was significantly not as described. I'd ask them for
a full refund for any of the parts that are in any way not as described. If that
doesn't work, the NSS/SNAD route is probably your best bet.
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 Posted: Jun 10, 2014 09:03
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A couple things to point out here:

1 - I'm on your side from a theological standpoint. From what you've
posted you and I probably share similar religious views. HOWEVER:

2 - Your packaging, if it was sent like in the picture, leaves a lot to be desired.
This isn't fleabay. It isn't Craigslist. Everyone here is an adult,
and because of the nature of this website most of them are adult builders buying
items that they plan to use in their own creations. Having parts somewhat organized
or at least protected against possible damage is key.

3 - Are you KIDDING me? So, you sent him your business card (which I do in most
of my orders, although I ran out a couple weeks ago). It has your phone number
so he can contact you with any issues. It happens to have a Bible verse on it.
And this is somehow propaganda that you should have to feel bad for/punished
for?

From a religious standpoint you're doing the right thing. From the Bricklink
standpoint you aren't doing anything wrong by having a Bible verse on your
business card. But from a packaging standpoint I'd consider upping the quality
of packing, at least on Bricklink. Presentation is key. Pretend you're
Cake Boss, but with orders. Make things look shiny and awesome and you'll
score points with your buyers because they know you care just as much as they
do about their bricks.


Now let's look at a similar situation, but change it from a religious thing
to something else. I'm a HUGE Kentucky Wildcats fan. The KY Wildcats basketball
team rocks, period. I can't get enough of the games and have been a fan
since I was little.

So let's say that I put a KY Wildcats sticker in every order. It's at
my own expense. I'm not charging you for it. You can throw it away if you're
a Tennessee fan or a *shudder* Cardinal

So what's the problem in this case? I am a fan of something that not everyone
else is. What I am a fan of seems very similar to many other groups that other
people happen to be fans of. I could include a piece of paper that happens to
have my team's logo on it. Nobody would ever bat an eye. Even our forever
rivals, the Louisville Cardinals, would probably just make a lighthearted joke
"Oh no! Burn the package! It has a UK logo on it!" in the same way we joke when
we find a Mega Blok in a collection we got from Craigslist.

Yet if it's religion, even when it isn't pushed on someone (having a
Bible verse on your business card isn't exactly pushing religion on someone,
when you gave out your business card is to promote your business, not your religion),
it is somehow a problem. Let's have a bit more tolerance. If something is
included with your order you don't want, toss it. Most of us are constantly
within 20 feet of a trash can on any given day, so it isn't a huge deal to
throw away something that doesn't apply to us.
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Thank you for your reply. This world needs more like you.


In Suggestions, ScootersBricks writes:
  A couple things to point out here:

1 - I'm on your side from a theological standpoint. From what you've
posted you and I probably share similar religious views. HOWEVER:

2 - Your packaging, if it was sent like in the picture, leaves a lot to be desired.
This isn't fleabay. It isn't Craigslist. Everyone here is an adult,
and because of the nature of this website most of them are adult builders buying
items that they plan to use in their own creations. Having parts somewhat organized
or at least protected against possible damage is key.

3 - Are you KIDDING me? So, you sent him your business card (which I do in most
of my orders, although I ran out a couple weeks ago). It has your phone number
so he can contact you with any issues. It happens to have a Bible verse on it.
And this is somehow propaganda that you should have to feel bad for/punished
for?

From a religious standpoint you're doing the right thing. From the Bricklink
standpoint you aren't doing anything wrong by having a Bible verse on your
business card. But from a packaging standpoint I'd consider upping the quality
of packing, at least on Bricklink. Presentation is key. Pretend you're
Cake Boss, but with orders. Make things look shiny and awesome and you'll
score points with your buyers because they know you care just as much as they
do about their bricks.


Now let's look at a similar situation, but change it from a religious thing
to something else. I'm a HUGE Kentucky Wildcats fan. The KY Wildcats basketball
team rocks, period. I can't get enough of the games and have been a fan
since I was little.

So let's say that I put a KY Wildcats sticker in every order. It's at
my own expense. I'm not charging you for it. You can throw it away if you're
a Tennessee fan or a *shudder* Cardinal

So what's the problem in this case? I am a fan of something that not everyone
else is. What I am a fan of seems very similar to many other groups that other
people happen to be fans of. I could include a piece of paper that happens to
have my team's logo on it. Nobody would ever bat an eye. Even our forever
rivals, the Louisville Cardinals, would probably just make a lighthearted joke
"Oh no! Burn the package! It has a UK logo on it!" in the same way we joke when
we find a Mega Blok in a collection we got from Craigslist.

Yet if it's religion, even when it isn't pushed on someone (having a
Bible verse on your business card isn't exactly pushing religion on someone,
when you gave out your business card is to promote your business, not your religion),
it is somehow a problem. Let's have a bit more tolerance. If something is
included with your order you don't want, toss it. Most of us are constantly
within 20 feet of a trash can on any given day, so it isn't a huge deal to
throw away something that doesn't apply to us.
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In Suggestions, ScootersBricks writes:
  A couple things to point out here:

  
Now let's look at a similar situation, but change it from a religious thing
to something else. I'm a HUGE Kentucky Wildcats fan. The KY Wildcats basketball
team rocks, period. I can't get enough of the games and have been a fan
since I was little.


I understand your thoughts on this however I would recommend that religion and
political views be kept separate from 'business'. It's a personal
decision on the part of each seller however.

The above sporting example seems minor enough however there are those with more
strange tastes.

I can't imagine many here would defend the dispersal of White Supremacy or
Anti-Abortion propaganda with their orders yet it may too be simply classified
as someone posting ones' beliefs. There's a host of beliefs out there
ranging from those accepted throughout the world to those accepted in particular
countries to those accepted by fringe groups. Holding the beliefs is not illegal
but disseminating them in such a manner and not expecting issues may be naive.

With regard to this case, to many around the world Churches and associated religions
have a lot to answer for with regard to how societies were or are.

Religious literature's potential provocative nature may not be obvious to
all but there are plenty of victims of all major religions out there and some
may also happen to like little plastic bricks.
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In Suggestions, secondbricks writes:
  In Suggestions, ScootersBricks writes:
  A couple things to point out here:

  
Now let's look at a similar situation, but change it from a religious thing
to something else. I'm a HUGE Kentucky Wildcats fan. The KY Wildcats basketball
team rocks, period. I can't get enough of the games and have been a fan
since I was little.


I understand your thoughts on this however I would recommend that religion and
political views be kept separate from 'business'. It's a personal
decision on the part of each seller however.

The above sporting example seems minor enough however there are those with more
strange tastes.

I can't imagine many here would defend the dispersal of White Supremacy or
Anti-Abortion propaganda with their orders yet it may too be simply classified
as someone posting ones' beliefs. There's a host of beliefs out there
ranging from those accepted throughout the world to those accepted in particular
countries to those accepted by fringe groups. Holding the beliefs is not illegal
but disseminating them in such a manner and not expecting issues may be naive.

With regard to this case, to many around the world Churches and associated religions
have a lot to answer for with regard to how societies were or are.

Religious literature's potential provocative nature may not be obvious to
all but there are plenty of victims of all major religions out there and some
may also happen to like little plastic bricks.

When you decide that you are going to insert religion (or any touchy subject
for that matter) into your business, you are making a business decision. Sometimes
that decision is well-received, and sometimes it is not. Some businesses thrive
because of their religious undertone (or political, etc.). Others may suffer
for it. It isn't necessarily "wrong" to include religion as part of your
business model--but it is definitely going to make some sellers tune out
while others tune in. Will you get more visits/return visits/customers as a
result? Who knows. For some that isn't the most important part of business,
anyway, and having a channel to express their feelings is a paycheck in itself.

Personally I am extremely religious. Yet there is no mention or hint of it in
my business. We didn't make a choice when we started "Let's keep religion
out of bricks!" or anything - it just didn't come up when designing our store.
I do hope that others are able to see a kindness and compassion in my actions
as a store owner that make them wonder.
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In Suggestions, ScootersBricks writes:
  In Suggestions, secondbricks writes:
  In Suggestions, ScootersBricks writes:
  A couple things to point out here:

  
Now let's look at a similar situation, but change it from a religious thing
to something else. I'm a HUGE Kentucky Wildcats fan. The KY Wildcats basketball
team rocks, period. I can't get enough of the games and have been a fan
since I was little.


I understand your thoughts on this however I would recommend that religion and
political views be kept separate from 'business'. It's a personal
decision on the part of each seller however.

The above sporting example seems minor enough however there are those with more
strange tastes.

I can't imagine many here would defend the dispersal of White Supremacy or
Anti-Abortion propaganda with their orders yet it may too be simply classified
as someone posting ones' beliefs. There's a host of beliefs out there
ranging from those accepted throughout the world to those accepted in particular
countries to those accepted by fringe groups. Holding the beliefs is not illegal
but disseminating them in such a manner and not expecting issues may be naive.

With regard to this case, to many around the world Churches and associated religions
have a lot to answer for with regard to how societies were or are.

Religious literature's potential provocative nature may not be obvious to
all but there are plenty of victims of all major religions out there and some
may also happen to like little plastic bricks.

When you decide that you are going to insert religion (or any touchy subject
for that matter) into your business, you are making a business decision. Sometimes
that decision is well-received, and sometimes it is not. Some businesses thrive
because of their religious undertone (or political, etc.). Others may suffer
for it. It isn't necessarily "wrong" to include religion as part of your
business model--but it is definitely going to make some sellers tune out
while others tune in. Will you get more visits/return visits/customers as a
result? Who knows. For some that isn't the most important part of business,
anyway, and having a channel to express their feelings is a paycheck in itself.

Personally I am extremely religious. Yet there is no mention or hint of it in
my business. We didn't make a choice when we started "Let's keep religion
out of bricks!" or anything - it just didn't come up when designing our store.
I do hope that others are able to see a kindness and compassion in my actions
as a store owner that make them wonder.

So how would you feel if i included some very anti-religious material in an order
you placed with me?


I disagree with anything of this nature being included in an order. If you place
an order from LEGO S@H you don't get a pamphlet talking about religion, or
the social philosophies of Denmark.

I get that you CAN do it, but I don't think it's appropriate. And here's
why:

Let's presume there are two customers one that will be offended, and one
that won't. If you email the material to both customers here's your potential
outcomes:

1. Customer A - Receives the material and is anywhere on the neutral to happy
scale about receiving the item. Or conversely, you don't send the material
and Customer A is STILL anywhere from neutral to happy about your order (assuming
they got the parts they wanted)

2. Customer B - Receives the material and is upset or offended. or conversely,
you don't send the material and Customer B is ALSO anywhere from neutral
to happy about their order.


So if you send the material, you take the risk of upsetting a customer, and losing
that customer forever. Whereas if you don't send the material, you don't
risk upsetting or losing any customers.

As a business, why would you consciously make a decision to risk X number of
customers???


I just think it's bad business.
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In Suggestions, tkkemp writes:
  In Suggestions, ScootersBricks writes:
  In Suggestions, secondbricks writes:
  In Suggestions, ScootersBricks writes:
  A couple things to point out here:

  
Now let's look at a similar situation, but change it from a religious thing
to something else. I'm a HUGE Kentucky Wildcats fan. The KY Wildcats basketball
team rocks, period. I can't get enough of the games and have been a fan
since I was little.


I understand your thoughts on this however I would recommend that religion and
political views be kept separate from 'business'. It's a personal
decision on the part of each seller however.

The above sporting example seems minor enough however there are those with more
strange tastes.

I can't imagine many here would defend the dispersal of White Supremacy or
Anti-Abortion propaganda with their orders yet it may too be simply classified
as someone posting ones' beliefs. There's a host of beliefs out there
ranging from those accepted throughout the world to those accepted in particular
countries to those accepted by fringe groups. Holding the beliefs is not illegal
but disseminating them in such a manner and not expecting issues may be naive.

With regard to this case, to many around the world Churches and associated religions
have a lot to answer for with regard to how societies were or are.

Religious literature's potential provocative nature may not be obvious to
all but there are plenty of victims of all major religions out there and some
may also happen to like little plastic bricks.

When you decide that you are going to insert religion (or any touchy subject
for that matter) into your business, you are making a business decision. Sometimes
that decision is well-received, and sometimes it is not. Some businesses thrive
because of their religious undertone (or political, etc.). Others may suffer
for it. It isn't necessarily "wrong" to include religion as part of your
business model--but it is definitely going to make some sellers tune out
while others tune in. Will you get more visits/return visits/customers as a
result? Who knows. For some that isn't the most important part of business,
anyway, and having a channel to express their feelings is a paycheck in itself.

Personally I am extremely religious. Yet there is no mention or hint of it in
my business. We didn't make a choice when we started "Let's keep religion
out of bricks!" or anything - it just didn't come up when designing our store.
I do hope that others are able to see a kindness and compassion in my actions
as a store owner that make them wonder.

So how would you feel if i included some very anti-religious material in an order
you placed with me?


I disagree with anything of this nature being included in an order. If you place
an order from LEGO S@H you don't get a pamphlet talking about religion, or
the social philosophies of Denmark.

I get that you CAN do it, but I don't think it's appropriate. And here's
why:

Let's presume there are two customers one that will be offended, and one
that won't. If you email the material to both customers here's your potential
outcomes:

1. Customer A - Receives the material and is anywhere on the neutral to happy
scale about receiving the item. Or conversely, you don't send the material
and Customer A is STILL anywhere from neutral to happy about your order (assuming
they got the parts they wanted)

2. Customer B - Receives the material and is upset or offended. or conversely,
you don't send the material and Customer B is ALSO anywhere from neutral
to happy about their order.


So if you send the material, you take the risk of upsetting a customer, and losing
that customer forever. Whereas if you don't send the material, you don't
risk upsetting or losing any customers.

As a business, why would you consciously make a decision to risk X number of
customers???


I just think it's bad business.

If you send me a pamphlet on atheism, I'll toss it because it's not relevant
to me. At the same time I'll hit the SKIP button on my DVR to go past a
commercial that isn't relevant to me. And then I'll give you positive
feedback like everyone else does.

It might be bad business to insert your personal beliefs into how you run your
store. But in the end that decision comes down to that particular store owner.
Some stores flourish because of their decision to specifically 'come out'
as being in support of one thing or another. In the same way, if you aren't
a Wildcat, you probably are going to be very put off by the Wildcat Outfitter
stores all over the place where I live.

For me, it just works better to just provide the type of service that my beliefs
suggest that I should. For others, they may feel it is better to take it a step
further. Up to them. I know that one of my favorite stores I buy from is from
someone who does just so happen to send religious material - but he says in very
big letters on his splash page that he does so, explains the type of material
it may be, and gives you an option to opt out if you aren't interested.

I like to shop with this guy because he's extremely nice, has good customer
service, and takes a HUGE amount of pride in his work. He goes above and beyond
compared to other sellers. Is this because he believes he is called to do so
by a higher power? Dunno. Maybe, maybe not.
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If I ever receive an order from you, I'll make sure to include some passages
from Flying Spaghetti Monster bible, describing the beer volcanoes and stripper
factories awaiting all those who have been touched by his noodly appendage. Or
perhaps I should include quotes from the Quran?

Do you begin to see why it's inappropriate to include such material?
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In Suggestions, brix4kix writes:
  There was a post earlier about bricklink over seeing bad sellers, I cant remember
where. I vote yes to a complaint section to have administrator's review
complaints about poor seller's. I received a order I placed a while back,
well first off I never recieved any messages back from the seller, they mailed
out the package 5days after there store terms sead they do.not usually a problem
since I typically send a message like ( hi just checking in to se if the payment
got to you thanks) the seller always contacts me back with yep got it will be
sending out soon got a little bizzy. That is no problem but from this seller
nothing.

so when the package arrived I was very unhappy now take a look at the packaging(
lack of bubble wrap ore any type of protection. But I did get some religious
propaganda that I didn't order. And yes the parts were just in thin cardboard
with tape around it from post office. I have not left feedback yet was waiting
to calm down. Will update in a bit if you want the name of the seller pm me for
now till I post the feedback.

You have not told what you told the seller about your dissatisfaction with your
order, or what resolution, (if any) the seller offered. That makes a lot of
difference when it comes to determining what is a "bad" seller.

That is one reason why I don't agree with many of these ideas about Bricklink
policing bad sellers - people have differences of opinion, and different expectations
about communication, packaging, etc. And some buyers will go straight to a complaints
process rather than communicate to the seller and give the seller a chance to
make things right. Who wants to be the first seller to be labelled "bad" over
a difference of opinion?

The feedback system is already there to warn other buyers about one's dissatisfaction
with a transaction, and if a seller does not ship, a few NSS's will result
in consequences.

Buyers already have tools at their disposal. I don't think that BL has the
time or the personnel to start policing all the buyers' complaints about
not liking the packaging, or that the seller didn't answer an email asking
if they received payment.
There are some really bad sellers out there - who don't ship, or who scam
people. Let BL focus on getting those bad apples out.
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Hi there is no response from the seller to date 5 emails no response. The message
about the payment is my kinda inquiry about the order status. To check in if
the packing time passes there store terms by a couple days, and I do think that
administrator should be able to look out for the reputation of the sight. By
actively looking into multiple complaints out side of feedback do to Maney members
not posting feedback in fear of retaliatory feedback.

thats my thoughts on this
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In Suggestions, brix4kix writes:
  so when the package arrived I was very unhappy now take a look at the packaging(
lack of bubble wrap ore any type of protection. But I did get some religious
propaganda that I didn't order. And yes the parts were just in thin cardboard
with tape around it from post office.

Personally, receiving religious propaganda in an order would categorically prevent
me from leaving positive feedback. Add the poor packaging and terrible service,
neutral feedback almost seems generous, yet is probably the right one.
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In Suggestions, Stragus writes:
  In Suggestions, brix4kix writes:
  so when the package arrived I was very unhappy now take a look at the packaging(
lack of bubble wrap ore any type of protection. But I did get some religious
propaganda that I didn't order. And yes the parts were just in thin cardboard
with tape around it from post office.

Personally, receiving religious propaganda in an order would categorically prevent
me from leaving positive feedback. Add the poor packaging and terrible service,
neutral feedback almost seems generous, yet is probably the right one.

If you don't mind me asking, what was the "religious propaganda"? That's
fairly vague, and I didn't notice it in any of the photos.

I received a small order shipped inside a Christmas card. I thought it was ingenious.
The parts were protected and well secured. But there are likely people out there
that would perceive many Christmas cards as religious propaganda.

My point, I would need a lot more detail than what was provided to judge the
seller in such a manner.

Just my two cents.

Cheers!
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In Suggestions, Etown writes:
  In Suggestions, Stragus writes:
  In Suggestions, brix4kix writes:
  so when the package arrived I was very unhappy now take a look at the packaging(
lack of bubble wrap ore any type of protection. But I did get some religious
propaganda that I didn't order. And yes the parts were just in thin cardboard
with tape around it from post office.

Personally, receiving religious propaganda in an order would categorically prevent
me from leaving positive feedback. Add the poor packaging and terrible service,
neutral feedback almost seems generous, yet is probably the right one.

If you don't mind me asking, what was the "religious propaganda"? That's
fairly vague, and I didn't notice it in any of the photos.

I received a small order shipped inside a Christmas card. I thought it was ingenious.
The parts were protected and well secured. But there are likely people out there
that would perceive many Christmas cards as religious propaganda.

My point, I would need a lot more detail than what was provided to judge the
seller in such a manner.

Just my two cents.

Cheers!

it is pamphlets for the coming rapture .com explaining the coming of Jesus, and
quotes from john3.16
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In Suggestions, brix4kix writes:
  it is pamphlets for the coming rapture .com explaining the coming of Jesus, and
quotes from john3.16

Heh, for a minute there, I thought you were talking about the Comcast mailer...
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In Suggestions, brix4kix writes:
  In Suggestions, Etown writes:
  In Suggestions, Stragus writes:
  In Suggestions, brix4kix writes:
  so when the package arrived I was very unhappy now take a look at the packaging(
lack of bubble wrap ore any type of protection. But I did get some religious
propaganda that I didn't order. And yes the parts were just in thin cardboard
with tape around it from post office.

Personally, receiving religious propaganda in an order would categorically prevent
me from leaving positive feedback. Add the poor packaging and terrible service,
neutral feedback almost seems generous, yet is probably the right one.

If you don't mind me asking, what was the "religious propaganda"? That's
fairly vague, and I didn't notice it in any of the photos.

I received a small order shipped inside a Christmas card. I thought it was ingenious.
The parts were protected and well secured. But there are likely people out there
that would perceive many Christmas cards as religious propaganda.

My point, I would need a lot more detail than what was provided to judge the
seller in such a manner.

Just my two cents.

Cheers!

it is pamphlets for the coming rapture .com explaining the coming of Jesus, and
quotes from john3.16

I don't understand the problem here. My Jehovah's Witness neighbor leaves
Watchtower pamphlets in our door once or twice a year. I toss them and move
on. I don't believe in what he does, but I do like one thing: he believes
strongly in something, and wants to share it with me before it's too late.
Sure, in my mind he is wrong, but I still don't mind it.

If someone sends me an Apple advertisement with their order, that's fine
too. I don't like Apple products for the most part (mainly because of the
corporate structure and their 'enjoy our products our way, not your way'
attitude. But I'm not going to give someone a negative for it. Same with
political stuff. If someone tells me that I should vote for the Pawnee Parks
Department's filling in of a pit to build a park (using a fake example because
I don't want to get into the politics thing on Bricklink, so one of my favorite
shows works better), that's fine. I'll read it if I'm bored, toss
it and move on.

It just bugs me that people seem so put off and offended when someone offers
them something they don't want anymore. What used to be "Hey, are you interested
in this? No, okay." has become "Hey, are you interested in this? Whoa, why
are you chasing me with that torch and pitchfork?!?"
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In Suggestions, ScootersBricks writes:

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I don't understand the problem here. My Jehovah's Witness neighbor leaves
Watchtower pamphlets in our door once or twice a year. I toss them and move
on.

snip

The late comedian Mitch Hedberg said it best: “When someone hands you a flyer,
it's like they're saying here you throw this away.”
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Really stop listed for telling you about a seller that sends orders out with
no bubble mailer ore any protection for the parts
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In Suggestions, brix4kix writes:
  Really stop listed for telling you about a seller that sends orders out with
no bubble mailer ore any protection for the parts

Nope. Stoplisted because you went straight from having an issue with an order
to sending negative feedback. I am known for my good customer service. My customers
like knowing they can come to me and I'm available almost any time of the
day or night to answer questions. But I can't work with customers who would
place an order and immediately give me a negative without giving me a chance
to resolve whatever issue they may have.

The package you got was not cool; the seller should have packaged it much better.
But a witch hunt because his business card has a Bible verse? Also not cool.
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it is pamphlets for the coming rapture .com explaining the coming of Jesus, and
quotes from john3.16


The US constitution guarantees everyone freedom of religion.
Also freedom of speech. So I think if a seller wants to promote
their religious beliefs through their BL store that is their right.

The US constitution also allows people to not believe in religion,
if they choose not to. In other words the government can not force
people to go to church or read the bible.

To look at it from the other side, what if a seller was an atheist.
Would a believer in religion be offended if they got a short message
in their order that stated that the store owner was an atheist and he
or she thought God did not exist and was promoting the atheist view?

Just wondering if there would be any different reaction from buyers
concerning the atheist message vs the bible message?
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Christianity and Judaism are the most hated belief systems in history.
In Suggestions, erector writes:
  
  
it is pamphlets for the coming rapture .com explaining the coming of Jesus, and
quotes from john3.16


The US constitution guarantees everyone freedom of religion.
Also freedom of speech. So I think if a seller wants to promote
their religious beliefs through their BL store that is their right.

The US constitution also allows people to not believe in religion,
if they choose not to. In other words the government can not force
people to go to church or read the bible.

To look at it from the other side, what if a seller was an atheist.
Would a believer in religion be offended if they got a short message
in their order that stated that the store owner was an atheist and he
or she thought God did not exist and was promoting the atheist view?

Just wondering if there would be any different reaction from buyers
concerning the atheist message vs the bible message?
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In Suggestions, LottaBricks writes:
  Christianity and Judaism are the most hated belief systems in history.

Count their victims and you probably have the reason why.

Cheers

Chris


  In Suggestions, erector writes:
  
  
it is pamphlets for the coming rapture .com explaining the coming of Jesus, and
quotes from john3.16


The US constitution guarantees everyone freedom of religion.
Also freedom of speech. So I think if a seller wants to promote
their religious beliefs through their BL store that is their right.

The US constitution also allows people to not believe in religion,
if they choose not to. In other words the government can not force
people to go to church or read the bible.

To look at it from the other side, what if a seller was an atheist.
Would a believer in religion be offended if they got a short message
in their order that stated that the store owner was an atheist and he
or she thought God did not exist and was promoting the atheist view?

Just wondering if there would be any different reaction from buyers
concerning the atheist message vs the bible message?
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In Suggestions, briky writes:
  In Suggestions, LottaBricks writes:
  Christianity and Judaism are the most hated belief systems in history.

Count their victims and you probably have the reason why.

Cheers

Chris


  In Suggestions, erector writes:
  
  
it is pamphlets for the coming rapture .com explaining the coming of Jesus, and
quotes from john3.16


The US constitution guarantees everyone freedom of religion.
Also freedom of speech. So I think if a seller wants to promote
their religious beliefs through their BL store that is their right.

The US constitution also allows people to not believe in religion,
if they choose not to. In other words the government can not force
people to go to church or read the bible.

To look at it from the other side, what if a seller was an atheist.
Would a believer in religion be offended if they got a short message
in their order that stated that the store owner was an atheist and he
or she thought God did not exist and was promoting the atheist view?

Just wondering if there would be any different reaction from buyers
concerning the atheist message vs the bible message?

I do think we may be venturing too far into the realm of what isn't allowed
on the forum. SO perhaps it is better to just note:

Religion exists. So do sports teams.

If you are on a different team, the other teams may seem like the "bad guys."


If someone likes their own team and invites you to like it, it's perfectly
fine to ignore them. If they keep bugging you about it they are in the wrong.
If you decide to punish them for liking the "wrong" team, YOU are wrong.

If you want to invite someone to like your team, go for it. But putting a disclaimer
in your store might help a bit: "WARNING: I am a HUGE KY Wildcat Fan. John Calipari
is the best recruiter ever. I may send a University of Kentucky sticker with
my order. If you don't like it throw it away. If you are a Cardinal...well...good
luck in your future loss against Kentucky next year!"

If someone asks you not to send them a sticker with your sports team (or a religious
card/pamphlet) then don't. Some people you send your orders to may LOVE
your sports team. Or religion. Or whatever. And they may LOVE that little bit
of a connection as a way to say "You're not alone out there." Heck, when
we meet a fellow Bricklinker in real life it's an awesome thing, because
of that connection we automatically have.

I think I've made it as clear as I can without breaking any rules. Politics
and religion are touchy here - it's not realistic to pretend they don't
exist, but arguing who is right or wrong is just going to cause problems so let's
not resort to that (I'm looking at people from both sides, now!). Better
to just remember that we are all here because we love LEGO, and discuss the touchy
subjects elsewhere. And even from a religious standpoint, I think there is precedence
for us to basically "stop bothering people" who ask us to leave them alone.
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With you on that.
Almost burst into song with that musical reference.
Come on you Harriers!
Oops!



In Suggestions, ScootersBricks writes:
  In Suggestions, briky writes:
  In Suggestions, LottaBricks writes:
  Christianity and Judaism are the most hated belief systems in history.

Count their victims and you probably have the reason why.

Cheers

Chris


  In Suggestions, erector writes:
  
  
it is pamphlets for the coming rapture .com explaining the coming of Jesus, and
quotes from john3.16


The US constitution guarantees everyone freedom of religion.
Also freedom of speech. So I think if a seller wants to promote
their religious beliefs through their BL store that is their right.

The US constitution also allows people to not believe in religion,
if they choose not to. In other words the government can not force
people to go to church or read the bible.

To look at it from the other side, what if a seller was an atheist.
Would a believer in religion be offended if they got a short message
in their order that stated that the store owner was an atheist and he
or she thought God did not exist and was promoting the atheist view?

Just wondering if there would be any different reaction from buyers
concerning the atheist message vs the bible message?

I do think we may be venturing too far into the realm of what isn't allowed
on the forum. SO perhaps it is better to just note:

Religion exists. So do sports teams.

If you are on a different team, the other teams may seem like the "bad guys."


If someone likes their own team and invites you to like it, it's perfectly
fine to ignore them. If they keep bugging you about it they are in the wrong.
If you decide to punish them for liking the "wrong" team, YOU are wrong.

If you want to invite someone to like your team, go for it. But putting a disclaimer
in your store might help a bit: "WARNING: I am a HUGE KY Wildcat Fan. John Calipari
is the best recruiter ever. I may send a University of Kentucky sticker with
my order. If you don't like it throw it away. If you are a Cardinal...well...good
luck in your future loss against Kentucky next year!"

If someone asks you not to send them a sticker with your sports team (or a religious
card/pamphlet) then don't. Some people you send your orders to may LOVE
your sports team. Or religion. Or whatever. And they may LOVE that little bit
of a connection as a way to say "You're not alone out there." Heck, when
we meet a fellow Bricklinker in real life it's an awesome thing, because
of that connection we automatically have.

I think I've made it as clear as I can without breaking any rules. Politics
and religion are touchy here - it's not realistic to pretend they don't
exist, but arguing who is right or wrong is just going to cause problems so let's
not resort to that (I'm looking at people from both sides, now!). Better
to just remember that we are all here because we love LEGO, and discuss the touchy
subjects elsewhere. And even from a religious standpoint, I think there is precedence
for us to basically "stop bothering people" who ask us to leave them alone.
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In Suggestions, LottaBricks writes:
  Christianity and Judaism are the most hated belief systems in history.


I am not sure about this but there may be a few American Muslims
who would disagree with the above statement. Right after 911 many
were beaten and their churches were destroyed.


The Christian crusades was not a picnic for Muslims either.


The Roman Catholic church taught that going to war against the "Infidels" was
an act of Christian penance. If a believer was killed during a crusade, he would
bypass purgatory, and be taken directly to heaven. By eliminating what might
be many millennia of torture in Purgatory, many Christians were strongly motivated
to volunteer for the crusades. "After pronouncing a solemn vow, each warrior
received a cross from the hands of the pope or his legates, and was thenceforth
considered a soldier of the Church."

These mass killings were repeated during each of the 8 additional crusades until
the final, 9th, crusade in 1272 CE. Both Christians and Muslims believed that
they were fighting on God's side against Satan; they believed that if they
died on the battlefield they would be given preferential treatment in the Christian
Heaven or the Muslim Paradise. Battles were fought with a terrible fierceness
and a massive loss of life. Over a 200 year period, perhaps 200,000 people were
killed.









  In Suggestions, erector writes:
  
  
it is pamphlets for the coming rapture .com explaining the coming of Jesus, and
quotes from john3.16


The US constitution guarantees everyone freedom of religion.
Also freedom of speech. So I think if a seller wants to promote
their religious beliefs through their BL store that is their right.

The US constitution also allows people to not believe in religion,
if they choose not to. In other words the government can not force
people to go to church or read the bible.

To look at it from the other side, what if a seller was an atheist.
Would a believer in religion be offended if they got a short message
in their order that stated that the store owner was an atheist and he
or she thought God did not exist and was promoting the atheist view?

Just wondering if there would be any different reaction from buyers
concerning the atheist message vs the bible message?
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In Suggestions, erector writes:
  In Suggestions, LottaBricks writes:
  Christianity and Judaism are the most hated belief systems in history.


I am not sure about this but there may be a few American Muslims
who would disagree with the above statement. Right after 911 many
were beaten and their churches were destroyed.


The Christian crusades was not a picnic for Muslims either.


The Roman Catholic church taught that going to war against the "Infidels" was
an act of Christian penance. If a believer was killed during a crusade, he would
bypass purgatory, and be taken directly to heaven. By eliminating what might
be many millennia of torture in Purgatory, many Christians were strongly motivated
to volunteer for the crusades. "After pronouncing a solemn vow, each warrior
received a cross from the hands of the pope or his legates, and was thenceforth
considered a soldier of the Church."

These mass killings were repeated during each of the 8 additional crusades until
the final, 9th, crusade in 1272 CE. Both Christians and Muslims believed that
they were fighting on God's

Wich shows us gods love for blood

Now let's stop this religious thread before it gets stopped.

rAmen, AARRGGHH,
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   side against Satan; they believed that if they
died on the battlefield they would be given preferential treatment in the Christian
Heaven or the Muslim Paradise. Battles were fought with a terrible fierceness
and a massive loss of life. Over a 200 year period, perhaps 200,000 people were
killed.









  In Suggestions, erector writes:
  
  
it is pamphlets for the coming rapture .com explaining the coming of Jesus, and
quotes from john3.16


The US constitution guarantees everyone freedom of religion.
Also freedom of speech. So I think if a seller wants to promote
their religious beliefs through their BL store that is their right.

The US constitution also allows people to not believe in religion,
if they choose not to. In other words the government can not force
people to go to church or read the bible.

To look at it from the other side, what if a seller was an atheist.
Would a believer in religion be offended if they got a short message
in their order that stated that the store owner was an atheist and he
or she thought God did not exist and was promoting the atheist view?

Just wondering if there would be any different reaction from buyers
concerning the atheist message vs the bible message?
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  There was a post earlier about bricklink over seeing bad sellers, I cant remember
where. I vote yes to a complaint section to have administrator's review
complaints about poor seller's. I received a order I placed a while back,
well first off I never recieved any messages back from the seller, they mailed
out the package 5days after there store terms sead they do.not usually a problem
since I typically send a message like ( hi just checking in to se if the payment
got to you thanks) the seller always contacts me back with yep got it will be
sending out soon got a little bizzy. That is no problem but from this seller
nothing.

so when the package arrived I was very unhappy now take a look at the packaging(
lack of bubble wrap ore any type of protection. But I did get some religious
propaganda that I didn't order. And yes the parts were just in thin cardboard
with tape around it from post office. I have not left feedback yet was waiting
to calm down. Will update in a bit if you want the name of the seller pm me for
now till I post the feedback.

You forgot to cover your own address.
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You forgot to cover your own address.

The forum isn't monitored like it used to be...
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Location:  USA, Kentucky
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In Suggestions, brix4kix writes:
  There was a post earlier about bricklink over seeing bad sellers, I cant remember
where. I vote yes to a complaint section to have administrator's review
complaints about poor seller's. I received a order I placed a while back,
well first off I never recieved any messages back from the seller, they mailed
out the package 5days after there store terms sead they do.not usually a problem
since I typically send a message like ( hi just checking in to se if the payment
got to you thanks) the seller always contacts me back with yep got it will be
sending out soon got a little bizzy. That is no problem but from this seller
nothing.

so when the package arrived I was very unhappy now take a look at the packaging(
lack of bubble wrap ore any type of protection. But I did get some religious
propaganda that I didn't order. And yes the parts were just in thin cardboard
with tape around it from post office. I have not left feedback yet was waiting
to calm down. Will update in a bit if you want the name of the seller pm me for
now till I post the feedback.

A couple things. I know one other person who sends out religious pamphlets with
your order. His store terms state pretty clearly that he will do so, but that
you can ask him not to and he won't. Personally it doesn't bother me
- if someone has a specific belief, and they are so devoted to that belief that
they are willing to go through the inconvenience of buying and adding printed
material to every order, then I don't mind it.

Recycled packaging? I like it. We throw too much useful stuff away and I'd
rather it be reused than go to the dump.

Now as for the way the parts are organized, that's not acceptable. I'd
consider a neutral for that, although honestly I think your negative is probably
a bit out of line. If your bricks showed up as ordered (good condition and undamaged)
but you don't like how they are packaged, simply least favorite him as a
store and move on. There are a lot more sellers out there that are extremely
friendly, including those who may choose to add a religious pamphlet in their
orders, and including those who won't.

Personally I don't mind it - I don't stop watching a show because a Scientology
commercial comes on, although I am very against the idea of it. So if someone
is paying money to include a religious message that they pay for, at no expense
to me, then I don't see what the issue is. If they used newspapers to protect
your order then chances are it would include a ton of different news stories,
even those that don't apply to you. So a piece of paper with a religious
message is just not something I would go out of my way to complain about.

Too long - didn't read version:
Recycling: good.
Saving the planet: good.
Inviting others to check out a religion that changed your life - good.
Putting all the stuff in one bag with no protection - bad.

Final result: least favorite him, drop that unwarranted negative, and move on
to one of the many much better stores out there.
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Personally I would be quite annoyed getting religious or political leaflets with
my order.

Absolutely no issue with the use of a recycled envelope if fit-for-use however.

Sellers please take note :]
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In Suggestions, secondbricks writes:
  Personally I would be quite annoyed getting religious or political leaflets with
my order.

Absolutely no issue with the use of a recycled envelope if fit-for-use however.

Sellers please take note :]

I love the religious item one German seller always includes in his orders. A
small bag of Haribo Gummy Bears. There is no other way to go then Haribo. Amen.

Bret
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Location:  Canada, Ontario
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In Suggestions, starbeanie writes:
  In Suggestions, secondbricks writes:
  Personally I would be quite annoyed getting religious or political leaflets with
my order.

Absolutely no issue with the use of a recycled envelope if fit-for-use however.

Sellers please take note :]

I love the religious item one German seller always includes in his orders. A
small bag of Haribo Gummy Bears. There is no other way to go then Haribo. Amen.

Bret

I've must have ordered from them twice, it's memorable.
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In Suggestions, starbeanie writes:
  In Suggestions, secondbricks writes:
  Personally I would be quite annoyed getting religious or political leaflets with
my order.

Absolutely no issue with the use of a recycled envelope if fit-for-use however.

Sellers please take note :]

I love the religious item one German seller always includes in his orders. A
small bag of Haribo Gummy Bears. There is no other way to go then Haribo. Amen.

Bret

My kids had a good brawl over said gummy bears LOL I will have to request 3 packs
next time
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In Suggestions, starbeanie writes:
  In Suggestions, secondbricks writes:
  Personally I would be quite annoyed getting religious or political leaflets with
my order.

Absolutely no issue with the use of a recycled envelope if fit-for-use however.

Sellers please take note :]

I love the religious item one German seller always includes in his orders. A
small bag of Haribo Gummy Bears. There is no other way to go then Haribo. Amen.

Bret

i need this sellers name!! now that's my kind of order!!
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In Suggestions, tkkemp writes:
  In Suggestions, starbeanie writes:
  In Suggestions, secondbricks writes:
  Personally I would be quite annoyed getting religious or political leaflets with
my order.

Absolutely no issue with the use of a recycled envelope if fit-for-use however.

Sellers please take note :]

I love the religious item one German seller always includes in his orders. A
small bag of Haribo Gummy Bears. There is no other way to go then Haribo. Amen.

Bret

i need this sellers name!! now that's my kind of order!!

http://www.bricklink.com/store.asp?p=bricks_and_toys
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In Suggestions, secondbricks writes:
  Personally I would be quite annoyed getting religious or political leaflets with
my order.

Absolutely no issue with the use of a recycled envelope if fit-for-use however.

Sellers please take note :]

Got it, include a King James Version Bible (Hardbound) and include the weight
in the shipping charge for all your orders.