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| | | Author: | maxx3001  | | Posted: | Jan 6, 2014 15:14 | | Subject: | 3 strikes you are out(dated)... | | Viewed: | 403 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | | Status: | Open | | Vote: | [Yes|No] | |
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| The current event got me thinking the rules are a bit outdated.
The 3 strikes you are out sounds good, but not if it's calculated over years.
At some point old NPB's and NSS's etc should stay on your record as feedback.
But not count towards you getting booted.
It's not about how much money you spend or how many feedback you have.
The % sounds like a good rule, because it's the same for everyone.
A 100 feedbacker can have maximum 3 strikes, but the 1000 may get 5? before they
are out.
I think Dan did not think people would get 1000, 2000, 3000 or 10,000 feedback.
So the system works for 10 feedback, 100 and even 500 feedback.
But at some point it fails...
Maybe a good idea to have this rule updated for 2.0
Maxx
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| | | | | Author: | Melanie01 | | Posted: | Jan 6, 2014 15:16 | | Subject: | Re: 3 strikes you are out(dated)... | | Viewed: | 80 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, maxx3001 writes:
| | The current event got me thinking the rules are a bit outdated.
The 3 strikes you are out sounds good, but not if it's calculated over years.
At some point old NPB's and NSS's etc should stay on your record as feedback.
But not count towards you getting booted.
It's not about how much money you spend or how many feedback you have.
The % sounds like a good rule, because it's the same for everyone.
A 100 feedbacker can have maximum 3 strikes, but the 1000 may get 5? before they
are out.
I think Dan did not think people would get 1000, 2000, 3000 or 10,000 feedback.
So the system works for 10 feedback, 100 and even 500 feedback.
But at some point it fails...
Maybe a good idea to have this rule updated for 2.0
Maxx
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Agreed!
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| | | | | Author: | StarBrick | | Posted: | Jan 6, 2014 15:16 | | Subject: | Re: 3 strikes you are out(dated)... | | Viewed: | 63 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| | Good one, I favor! |
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| | | | | Author: | bb314137 | | Posted: | Jan 6, 2014 15:18 | | Subject: | Re: 3 strikes you are out(dated)... | | Viewed: | 88 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, maxx3001 writes:
| | The current event got me thinking the rules are a bit outdated.
The 3 strikes you are out sounds good, but not if it's calculated over years.
At some point old NPB's and NSS's etc should stay on your record as feedback.
But not count towards you getting booted.
It's not about how much money you spend or how many feedback you have.
The % sounds like a good rule, because it's the same for everyone.
A 100 feedbacker can have maximum 3 strikes, but the 1000 may get 5? before they
are out.
I think Dan did not think people would get 1000, 2000, 3000 or 10,000 feedback.
So the system works for 10 feedback, 100 and even 500 feedback.
But at some point it fails...
Maybe a good idea to have this rule updated for 2.0
Maxx
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Actually, I'd say 3 NPB's, but not 3 NSS's. A NPB can be because
of a lot of things, but a NSS is simple. You are keeping the money and not shipping.
That should even be 1 IMO.
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| | | | | | | Author: | FlyingEugene | | Posted: | Jan 6, 2014 15:20 | | Subject: | Re: 3 strikes you are out(dated)... | | Viewed: | 67 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| I agree with this. At that point it is stealing.
In Suggestions, Brick_Top writes:
| | In Suggestions, maxx3001 writes:
| | The current event got me thinking the rules are a bit outdated.
The 3 strikes you are out sounds good, but not if it's calculated over years.
At some point old NPB's and NSS's etc should stay on your record as feedback.
But not count towards you getting booted.
It's not about how much money you spend or how many feedback you have.
The % sounds like a good rule, because it's the same for everyone.
A 100 feedbacker can have maximum 3 strikes, but the 1000 may get 5? before they
are out.
I think Dan did not think people would get 1000, 2000, 3000 or 10,000 feedback.
So the system works for 10 feedback, 100 and even 500 feedback.
But at some point it fails...
Maybe a good idea to have this rule updated for 2.0
Maxx
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Actually, I'd say 3 NPB's, but not 3 NSS's. A NPB can be because
of a lot of things, but a NSS is simple. You are keeping the money and not shipping.
That should even be 1 IMO.
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| | | | | | | Author: | Pokernut | | Posted: | Jan 6, 2014 15:47 | | Subject: | Re: 3 strikes you are out(dated)... | | Viewed: | 73 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, Brick_Top writes:
| | Actually, I'd say 3 NPB's, but not 3 NSS's. A NPB can be because
of a lot of things, but a NSS is simple. You are keeping the money and not shipping.
That should even be 1 IMO.
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A bit harsh with the NSS thinking there.
A NSS can occur for other reasons other than outright theft/fraud etc. ( sickness,
hospitalisation, unexpected family event and strikes for example )
I agree there should be a rethink on the whole 3 strikes thing.
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | bb314137 | | Posted: | Jan 6, 2014 15:52 | | Subject: | Re: 3 strikes you are out(dated)... | | Viewed: | 80 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, Pokernut writes:
| | In Suggestions, Brick_Top writes:
| | Actually, I'd say 3 NPB's, but not 3 NSS's. A NPB can be because
of a lot of things, but a NSS is simple. You are keeping the money and not shipping.
That should even be 1 IMO.
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A bit harsh with the NSS thinking there.
A NSS can occur for other reasons other than outright theft/fraud etc. ( sickness,
hospitalisation, unexpected family event and strikes for example )
I agree there should be a rethink on the whole 3 strikes thing.
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Of course, a NSS can be cancelled if you are back and you refund the money or
whatever. Just remember petjerz (forgot the name).
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| | | | | | | | | | | Author: | briky | | Posted: | Jan 6, 2014 16:43 | | Subject: | Re: 3 strikes you are out(dated)... | | Viewed: | 77 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, Brick_Top writes:
| | In Suggestions, Pokernut writes:
| | In Suggestions, Brick_Top writes:
| | Actually, I'd say 3 NPB's, but not 3 NSS's. A NPB can be because
of a lot of things, but a NSS is simple. You are keeping the money and not shipping.
That should even be 1 IMO.
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A bit harsh with the NSS thinking there.
A NSS can occur for other reasons other than outright theft/fraud etc. ( sickness,
hospitalisation, unexpected family event and strikes for example )
I agree there should be a rethink on the whole 3 strikes thing.
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Of course, a NSS can be cancelled if you are back and you refund the money or
whatever. Just remember petjerz (forgot the name).
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About Peterz....he returned to the forum after hospitalization from a car crash....promised
everyone he owed something to fix the situation.....but till now....just promises....anybody
else heard something from Kevin?
Cheers
Chris
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | Kevin.NXT | | Posted: | Jan 6, 2014 17:16 | | Subject: | Re: 3 strikes you are out(dated)... | | Viewed: | 74 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, briky writes:
| | About Peterz....he returned to the forum after hospitalization from a car crash....promised
everyone he owed something to fix the situation.....but till now....just promises....anybody
else heard something from Kevin?
Cheers
Chris
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Sure, I've heard from myself. 
I know which Kevin you are talking about, but I don't remember the username?
A different Kevin
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | briky | | Posted: | Jan 6, 2014 17:19 | | Subject: | Re: 3 strikes you are out(dated)... | | Viewed: | 76 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, Kevin.NXT writes:
| | In Suggestions, briky writes:
| | About Peterz....he returned to the forum after hospitalization from a car crash....promised
everyone he owed something to fix the situation.....but till now....just promises....anybody
else heard something from Kevin?
Cheers
Chris
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Sure, I've heard from myself.
I know which Kevin you are talking about, but I don't remember the username?
A different Kevin
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MonoChromatics
Specialised in monocolor minifigure parts!
Maintained by Perterz (678)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | Kevin.NXT | | Posted: | Jan 6, 2014 17:59 | | Subject: | Re: 3 strikes you are out(dated)... | | Viewed: | 50 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, briky writes:
| | In Suggestions, Kevin.NXT writes:
| | In Suggestions, briky writes:
| | About Peterz....he returned to the forum after hospitalization from a car crash....promised
everyone he owed something to fix the situation.....but till now....just promises....anybody
else heard something from Kevin?
Cheers
Chris
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Sure, I've heard from myself.
I know which Kevin you are talking about, but I don't remember the username?
A different Kevin
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MonoChromatics
Specialised in monocolor minifigure parts!
Maintained by Perterz (678)
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Oh, I thought Peterz was a different person than the Kevin. I guess me memory
is once again wrong. 
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | Kevin.NXT | | Posted: | Jan 6, 2014 18:00 | | Subject: | Re: 3 strikes you are out(dated)... | | Viewed: | 56 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, Kevin.NXT writes:
| | In Suggestions, briky writes:
| | In Suggestions, Kevin.NXT writes:
| | In Suggestions, briky writes:
| | About Peterz....he returned to the forum after hospitalization from a car crash....promised
everyone he owed something to fix the situation.....but till now....just promises....anybody
else heard something from Kevin?
Cheers
Chris
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Sure, I've heard from myself.
I know which Kevin you are talking about, but I don't remember the username?
A different Kevin
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MonoChromatics
Specialised in monocolor minifigure parts!
Maintained by Perterz (678)
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I guess me memory is once again wrong.
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And my typing/spelling is also wrong! That was of course supposed to be my, not
me.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | viejos | | Posted: | Jan 6, 2014 20:16 | | Subject: | Re: 3 strikes you are out(dated)... | | Viewed: | 92 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, Kevin.NXT writes:
| | In Suggestions, Kevin.NXT writes:
| | In Suggestions, briky writes:
| | In Suggestions, Kevin.NXT writes:
| | In Suggestions, briky writes:
| | About Peterz....he returned to the forum after hospitalization from a car crash....promised
everyone he owed something to fix the situation.....but till now....just promises....anybody
else heard something from Kevin?
Cheers
Chris
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Sure, I've heard from myself.
I know which Kevin you are talking about, but I don't remember the username?
A different Kevin
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MonoChromatics
Specialised in monocolor minifigure parts!
Maintained by Perterz (678)
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I guess me memory is once again wrong.
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And my typing/spelling is also wrong! That was of course supposed to be my, not
me.
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Methinks you're becoming a pirate!
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | MathBuilder | | Posted: | Jan 6, 2014 17:23 | | Subject: | (Cancelled) | | Viewed: | 66 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| | | | | Author: | Made_In_Bricks | | Posted: | Jan 6, 2014 15:20 | | Subject: | Re: 3 strikes you are out(dated)... | | Viewed: | 73 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| Thanks, this is the correct way to do this. I voted yes, and I think most of
us would. But, then we would all bicker about what to change it to.
A few possibilities
Transactions between strikers
Time between strikes
Monetary amount (kind of like the difference between a misdemeanor and a felony)
no state has a three strikes and you're out policy on misdemeanors, but they
do for felonies.
some other ways to do this would be well posted here.
Thanks,
Ken
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| | | | | | | Author: | steelwoolghandi | | Posted: | Jan 6, 2014 16:54 | | Subject: | Re: 3 strikes you are out(dated)... | | Viewed: | 69 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, BrickItYourself writes:
| | Thanks, this is the correct way to do this. I voted yes, and I think most of
us would. But, then we would all bicker about what to change it to.
A few possibilities
Transactions between strikers
Time between strikes
Monetary amount (kind of like the difference between a misdemeanor and a felony)
no state has a three strikes and you're out policy on misdemeanors, but they
do for felonies.
some other ways to do this would be well posted here.
Thanks,
Ken
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Time heals all wounds I say a time period so many years and they start to drop
off.
SWG
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | Brettj666 | | Posted: | Jan 6, 2014 17:50 | | Subject: | Re: 3 strikes you are out(dated)... | | Viewed: | 62 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, steelwoolghandi writes:
| | In Suggestions, BrickItYourself writes:
| | Thanks, this is the correct way to do this. I voted yes, and I think most of
us would. But, then we would all bicker about what to change it to.
A few possibilities
Transactions between strikers
Time between strikes
Monetary amount (kind of like the difference between a misdemeanor and a felony)
no state has a three strikes and you're out policy on misdemeanors, but they
do for felonies.
some other ways to do this would be well posted here.
Thanks,
Ken
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Time heals all wounds I say a time period so many years and they start to drop
off.
SWG
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So, people can then be calculating and strategic when they don't want to
pay for orders.
"Just have to make excuses for another 4 days before that other one drops off
from 2 years ago ".
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| | | | | Author: | BLUSER_424058 | | Posted: | Jan 6, 2014 15:27 | | Subject: | (Cancelled) | | Viewed: | 63 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| | | | | Author: | Canisuis | | Posted: | Jan 6, 2014 15:29 | | Subject: | Re: 3 strikes you are out(dated)... | | Viewed: | 65 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| I agree with you Maxx, sometimes genuine mistakes happen or errors occur. Over
years they can trickle in. I've been lucky and not had to deal with this
problem personally but I'm aware a certain degree of luck was involved.
Good suggestion.
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| | | | | Author: | therobo | | Posted: | Jan 6, 2014 16:12 | | Subject: | Re: 3 strikes you are out(dated)... | | Viewed: | 92 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, maxx3001 writes:
| | The current event got me thinking the rules are a bit outdated.
The 3 strikes you are out sounds good, but not if it's calculated over years.
At some point old NPB's and NSS's etc should stay on your record as feedback.
But not count towards you getting booted.
It's not about how much money you spend or how many feedback you have.
The % sounds like a good rule, because it's the same for everyone.
A 100 feedbacker can have maximum 3 strikes, but the 1000 may get 5? before they
are out.
I think Dan did not think people would get 1000, 2000, 3000 or 10,000 feedback.
So the system works for 10 feedback, 100 and even 500 feedback.
But at some point it fails...
Maybe a good idea to have this rule updated for 2.0
Maxx
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*If* anything is going to be changed than the number of buying transactions
should be considered as criterion, not the number of buying feedbacks.
I would also like to see an NPB counter if someone has 3 or more NPBs.
Ronald
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| | | | | Author: | bricksahead | | Posted: | Jan 6, 2014 17:08 | | Subject: | Re: 3 strikes you are out(dated)... | | Viewed: | 83 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, maxx3001 writes:
| | The current event got me thinking the rules are a bit outdated.
The 3 strikes you are out sounds good, but not if it's calculated over years.
At some point old NPB's and NSS's etc should stay on your record as feedback.
But not count towards you getting booted.
It's not about how much money you spend or how many feedback you have.
The % sounds like a good rule, because it's the same for everyone.
A 100 feedbacker can have maximum 3 strikes, but the 1000 may get 5? before they
are out.
I think Dan did not think people would get 1000, 2000, 3000 or 10,000 feedback.
So the system works for 10 feedback, 100 and even 500 feedback.
But at some point it fails...
Maybe a good idea to have this rule updated for 2.0
Maxx
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My personal opinion is that a NSS in some cases is much worse than a NPB. It
is "theft" if a buyer has paid for an order, and the order has never been shipped.
If a seller has refunded payment, I agree the NSS should be forgiven after some
time - likewise should a NPB be forgiven after some time. If a seller does not
ship an order, and the buyer's payment hasn't been returned in some way
or another, I think it is unacceptable.
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| | | | | | | Author: | Brickwilbo | | Posted: | Jan 6, 2014 17:19 | | Subject: | Re: 3 strikes you are out(dated)... | | Viewed: | 48 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, bricksahead writes:
| | In Suggestions, maxx3001 writes:
| | The current event got me thinking the rules are a bit outdated.
The 3 strikes you are out sounds good, but not if it's calculated over years.
At some point old NPB's and NSS's etc should stay on your record as feedback.
But not count towards you getting booted.
It's not about how much money you spend or how many feedback you have.
The % sounds like a good rule, because it's the same for everyone.
A 100 feedbacker can have maximum 3 strikes, but the 1000 may get 5? before they
are out.
I think Dan did not think people would get 1000, 2000, 3000 or 10,000 feedback.
So the system works for 10 feedback, 100 and even 500 feedback.
But at some point it fails...
Maybe a good idea to have this rule updated for 2.0
Maxx
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My personal opinion is that a NSS in some cases is much worse than a NPB. It
is "theft" if a buyer has paid for an order, and the order has never been shipped.
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| | If a seller has refunded payment, I agree the NSS should be forgiven after some
time -
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When refunded the NSS isn't a strike.
Either the buyer removes the complaint or Admin removes the strike when proof
of refund is shown.
| | likewise should a NPB be forgiven after some time. If a seller does not
ship an order, and the buyer's payment hasn't been returned in some way
or another, I think it is unacceptable.
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| | | | | Author: | BTHodgeman | | Posted: | Jan 6, 2014 17:39 | | Subject: | Re: 3 strikes you are out(dated)... | | Viewed: | 60 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| I'm not sure... I definitely think that NSS is much more severe than NPB,
but a lot of that is because I naturally hold sellers to a higher standard than
buyers.
There are more "professional sellers" on here than "professional buyers." You're
going to see more mistakes on the buying side. Some buyers may not understand
how Bricklink works, and think that submitting the order is just requesting a
quote for shipping.
That being said, I really am a fan of the 3 strikes rule. If there is a *legitimate*
issue, the buyer who's not paying for the order should be working with the
admin to get that NPB removed...
Brent
In Suggestions, maxx3001 writes:
| | The current event got me thinking the rules are a bit outdated.
The 3 strikes you are out sounds good, but not if it's calculated over years.
At some point old NPB's and NSS's etc should stay on your record as feedback.
But not count towards you getting booted.
It's not about how much money you spend or how many feedback you have.
The % sounds like a good rule, because it's the same for everyone.
A 100 feedbacker can have maximum 3 strikes, but the 1000 may get 5? before they
are out.
I think Dan did not think people would get 1000, 2000, 3000 or 10,000 feedback.
So the system works for 10 feedback, 100 and even 500 feedback.
But at some point it fails...
Maybe a good idea to have this rule updated for 2.0
Maxx
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| | | | | | | Author: | thebrickdude | | Posted: | Jan 6, 2014 18:33 | | Subject: | Re: 3 strikes you are out(dated)... | | Viewed: | 93 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| Back to my original post, I only posted this because admin did not reply to my
concern.
This whole discourse may bring to light the fact that BrickLink needs far more
help on the employee-side than we care to admit. I got privileges revoked due
to an outdated automatic 3-strikes policy, not by a person. I have yet to hear
from the admin, which I now call the Wizard of Oz.
In Suggestions, BTHodgeman writes:
| | I'm not sure... I definitely think that NSS is much more severe than NPB,
but a lot of that is because I naturally hold sellers to a higher standard than
buyers.
There are more "professional sellers" on here than "professional buyers." You're
going to see more mistakes on the buying side. Some buyers may not understand
how Bricklink works, and think that submitting the order is just requesting a
quote for shipping.
That being said, I really am a fan of the 3 strikes rule. If there is a *legitimate*
issue, the buyer who's not paying for the order should be working with the
admin to get that NPB removed...
Brent
In Suggestions, maxx3001 writes:
| | The current event got me thinking the rules are a bit outdated.
The 3 strikes you are out sounds good, but not if it's calculated over years.
At some point old NPB's and NSS's etc should stay on your record as feedback.
But not count towards you getting booted.
It's not about how much money you spend or how many feedback you have.
The % sounds like a good rule, because it's the same for everyone.
A 100 feedbacker can have maximum 3 strikes, but the 1000 may get 5? before they
are out.
I think Dan did not think people would get 1000, 2000, 3000 or 10,000 feedback.
So the system works for 10 feedback, 100 and even 500 feedback.
But at some point it fails...
Maybe a good idea to have this rule updated for 2.0
Maxx
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | bb314137 | | Posted: | Jan 6, 2014 18:39 | | Subject: | Re: 3 strikes you are out(dated)... | | Viewed: | 68 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, patchbox20 writes:
| | Back to my original post, I only posted this because admin did not reply to my
concern.
This whole discourse may bring to light the fact that BrickLink needs far more
help on the employee-side than we care to admit. I got privileges revoked due
to an outdated automatic 3-strikes policy, not by a person. I have yet to hear
from the admin, which I now call the Wizard of Oz.
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I don't think that it is sensible nor you are in the position right now to
be hostile to Admin...
| | In Suggestions, BTHodgeman writes:
| | I'm not sure... I definitely think that NSS is much more severe than NPB,
but a lot of that is because I naturally hold sellers to a higher standard than
buyers.
There are more "professional sellers" on here than "professional buyers." You're
going to see more mistakes on the buying side. Some buyers may not understand
how Bricklink works, and think that submitting the order is just requesting a
quote for shipping.
That being said, I really am a fan of the 3 strikes rule. If there is a *legitimate*
issue, the buyer who's not paying for the order should be working with the
admin to get that NPB removed...
Brent
In Suggestions, maxx3001 writes:
| | The current event got me thinking the rules are a bit outdated.
The 3 strikes you are out sounds good, but not if it's calculated over years.
At some point old NPB's and NSS's etc should stay on your record as feedback.
But not count towards you getting booted.
It's not about how much money you spend or how many feedback you have.
The % sounds like a good rule, because it's the same for everyone.
A 100 feedbacker can have maximum 3 strikes, but the 1000 may get 5? before they
are out.
I think Dan did not think people would get 1000, 2000, 3000 or 10,000 feedback.
So the system works for 10 feedback, 100 and even 500 feedback.
But at some point it fails...
Maybe a good idea to have this rule updated for 2.0
Maxx
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | mhn1957 | | Posted: | Jan 6, 2014 18:43 | | Subject: | Re: 3 strikes you are out(dated)... | | Viewed: | 57 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, patchbox20 writes:
| | Back to my original post, I only posted this because admin did not reply to my
concern.
This whole discourse may bring to light the fact that BrickLink needs far more
help on the employee-side than we care to admit. I got privileges revoked due
to an outdated automatic 3-strikes policy, not by a person. I have yet to hear
from the admin, which I now call the Wizard of Oz.
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I call him Eric.
So, maybe the rules are outdated. You could concentrate on the other two strikes,
and get one of those people on your side. Or you could just wait. Or you could
continue what you are doing. Often, calling people names does not make them anxious
to help you out or speed them up.
If suddenly, the three strikes policy was fixed to your liking, and you, a buyer
who deserves to be able to shop here had your rights restored, would a number
of bad sellers and buyers have their rights restored simultaneously? 'Cause
I'm agin that.
Mark
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | BTHodgeman | | Posted: | Jan 6, 2014 19:03 | | Subject: | Re: 3 strikes you are out(dated)... | | Viewed: | 63 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| Let's also be realistic with our expectations...
First, sellers pay only a 3% fee that funds the entire operations of this site,
including domain registration, hosting, development, staff (admin and others).
If you want instantaneous service, perhaps ebay can suit your needs better?
Second, we are dealing with CHILDREN'S PLAY TOYS. Not urgently-needed medical
supplies or anything of that nature. That your buying privileges have been suspended
is not the end of the world. "It'll all be OK in the end."
Step back, take a few deep breaths, and have some patience.
The Admin will reply in due time, but quite honestly, your flaming him at every
possible instance is probably NOT helping your case.
In Suggestions, patchbox20 writes:
| | Back to my original post, I only posted this because admin did not reply to my
concern.
This whole discourse may bring to light the fact that BrickLink needs far more
help on the employee-side than we care to admit. I got privileges revoked due
to an outdated automatic 3-strikes policy, not by a person. I have yet to hear
from the admin, which I now call the Wizard of Oz.
In Suggestions, BTHodgeman writes:
| | I'm not sure... I definitely think that NSS is much more severe than NPB,
but a lot of that is because I naturally hold sellers to a higher standard than
buyers.
There are more "professional sellers" on here than "professional buyers." You're
going to see more mistakes on the buying side. Some buyers may not understand
how Bricklink works, and think that submitting the order is just requesting a
quote for shipping.
That being said, I really am a fan of the 3 strikes rule. If there is a *legitimate*
issue, the buyer who's not paying for the order should be working with the
admin to get that NPB removed...
Brent
In Suggestions, maxx3001 writes:
| | The current event got me thinking the rules are a bit outdated.
The 3 strikes you are out sounds good, but not if it's calculated over years.
At some point old NPB's and NSS's etc should stay on your record as feedback.
But not count towards you getting booted.
It's not about how much money you spend or how many feedback you have.
The % sounds like a good rule, because it's the same for everyone.
A 100 feedbacker can have maximum 3 strikes, but the 1000 may get 5? before they
are out.
I think Dan did not think people would get 1000, 2000, 3000 or 10,000 feedback.
So the system works for 10 feedback, 100 and even 500 feedback.
But at some point it fails...
Maybe a good idea to have this rule updated for 2.0
Maxx
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| | | | | Author: | bb138026 | | Posted: | Jan 6, 2014 18:11 | | Subject: | Re: 3 strikes you are out(dated)... | | Viewed: | 68 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, maxx3001 writes:
| | The 3 strikes you are out sounds good, but not if it's calculated over years.
At some point old NPB's and NSS's etc should stay on your record as feedback.
But not count towards you getting booted.
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Agreed!
Old NPBs need to be struck from the record, one way or the other. It could be
after 12-24 months have passed, it could be after X completed transactions, but
the current system is ridiculous.
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| | | | | | | Author: | thebrickdude | | Posted: | Jan 6, 2014 18:29 | | Subject: | Re: 3 strikes you are out(dated)... | | Viewed: | 92 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| Huzzah
In Suggestions, Maloeran writes:
| | In Suggestions, maxx3001 writes:
| | The 3 strikes you are out sounds good, but not if it's calculated over years.
At some point old NPB's and NSS's etc should stay on your record as feedback.
But not count towards you getting booted.
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Agreed!
Old NPBs need to be struck from the record, one way or the other. It could be
after 12-24 months have passed, it could be after X completed transactions, but
the current system is ridiculous.
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| | | | | Author: | Rolf | | Posted: | Jan 6, 2014 19:53 | | Subject: | Re: 3 strikes you are out(dated)... | | Viewed: | 92 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, maxx3001 writes:
| | The current event got me thinking the rules are a bit outdated.
The 3 strikes you are out sounds good, but not if it's calculated over years.
At some point old NPB's and NSS's etc should stay on your record as feedback.
But not count towards you getting booted.
It's not about how much money you spend or how many feedback you have.
The % sounds like a good rule, because it's the same for everyone.
A 100 feedbacker can have maximum 3 strikes, but the 1000 may get 5? before they
are out.
I think Dan did not think people would get 1000, 2000, 3000 or 10,000 feedback.
So the system works for 10 feedback, 100 and even 500 feedback.
But at some point it fails...
Maybe a good idea to have this rule updated for 2.0
Maxx
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Agreed. I was discussing it with someone else (hi! can reply if want) and this
is what we agreed to be good idea:
Only way to get NPB (and maybe nss?) to fall off is have 100 successful transcriptions
AND wait for it to age one year. It makes it recoverable AND very hard to abuse.
Say if there was 2 NPBs. This person would have in least 100 successful orders
AND wait one year for one npb to fall off record, then again 100 successful orders
other year for second and last one to fall off.
Successful order: Marked complete, not npb or cancelled. Or it expired at shipped
after 6 months with no problem.
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| | | | | Author: | goshe7 | | Posted: | Jan 7, 2014 00:08 | | Subject: | Re: 3 strikes you are out(dated)... | | Viewed: | 90 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, maxx3001 writes:
| | The current event got me thinking the rules are a bit outdated.
The 3 strikes you are out sounds good, but not if it's calculated over years.
At some point old NPB's and NSS's etc should stay on your record as feedback.
But not count towards you getting booted.
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I think we can all agree that people should be allowed to scam no more than 2
people per year, perpetually. You just have to make sure it counts when you
use your allocated scams.
Seriously, though, there should be some timeless nature of the NPB/NSS. I have
managed to buy and sell here for nearly 9 years without having issues getting
hit with either. If you don't learn your lesson after the first two, why
is there hope you will after any number more (either one, or more if they "expire")?
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| | | | | | | Author: | maxx3001 | | Posted: | Jan 7, 2014 03:54 | | Subject: | Re: 3 strikes you are out(dated)... | | Viewed: | 77 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, goshe7 writes:
| | In Suggestions, maxx3001 writes:
| | The current event got me thinking the rules are a bit outdated.
The 3 strikes you are out sounds good, but not if it's calculated over years.
At some point old NPB's and NSS's etc should stay on your record as feedback.
But not count towards you getting booted.
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I think we can all agree that people should be allowed to scam no more than 2
people per year, perpetually. You just have to make sure it counts when you
use your allocated scams.
Seriously, though, there should be some timeless nature of the NPB/NSS.
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The timeless nature is that the negative stys on your feedback.
| | I have
managed to buy and sell here for nearly 9 years without having issues getting
hit with either.
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And a good job you did
But bad things do happen for some reason, do you feel it's honest that a
1000 feedbacker needs to confirm to the same 3 strikes out as a 10 or 100 feedbacker?
At some point the odds are to high and 3 strikes on 3000 transactions.....
| | If you don't learn your lesson after the first two, why
is there hope you will after any number more (either one, or more if they "expire")?
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Because chips happens, that simple.
It's not fair in my opinion to hold a 2000 feedbacker to the same 3 strikes
as a 10 or 100 feedbacker.
Why not let it be a percentage thing after the first 100 feedback/transactions
or something.
I just think the 3 strikes was never meant for 1000+ feedback, let alone 2000,
5000 or 10,000.
Maxx
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