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| | | Author: | V_JAMS  | | Posted: | Dec 13, 2012 14:36 | | Subject: | Condition to include "smoke smell" as issue | | Viewed: | 282 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | | Status: | Open | | Vote: | [Yes|No] | |
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| I believe the used parts condition in the terms of service area should include
"smoke smell" as an abnormal issue that would need to be acknowledged by the
seller at point of listing. As we all dislike nicks, and wear that show up when
not expected I certainly do not like the odor of what another does with their
time either. Smoke smell is difficult to remove, and is sometimes impossible
to lift if it has been layered on for an extended period.
Common sense should dictate whether you sell something that stinks or not, but
we live in a world where everything needs to be spelled out, so I believe this
would be wise to implement to hold sellers accountable.
Jim
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| | | | | Author: | Rolf | | Posted: | Dec 13, 2012 14:43 | | Subject: | Re: Condition to include "smoke smell" as issue | | Viewed: | 53 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, VMAJ writes:
| | I believe the used parts condition in the terms of service area should include
"smoke smell" as an abnormal issue that would need to be acknowledged by the
seller at point of listing. As we all dislike nicks, and wear that show up when
not expected I certainly do not like the odor of what another does with their
time either. Smoke smell is difficult to remove, and is sometimes impossible
to lift if it has been layered on for an extended period.
Common sense should dictate whether you sell something that stinks or not, but
we live in a world where everything needs to be spelled out, so I believe this
would be wise to implement to hold sellers accountable.
Jim
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YES please!!! Smokey parts is the worst!
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| | | | | Author: | bb219749 | | Posted: | Dec 13, 2012 14:47 | | Subject: | Re: Condition to include "smoke smell" as issue | | Viewed: | 64 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, VMAJ writes:
| | I believe the used parts condition in the terms of service area should include
"smoke smell" as an abnormal issue that would need to be acknowledged by the
seller at point of listing. As we all dislike nicks, and wear that show up when
not expected I certainly do not like the odor of what another does with their
time either. Smoke smell is difficult to remove, and is sometimes impossible
to lift if it has been layered on for an extended period.
Common sense should dictate whether you sell something that stinks or not, but
we live in a world where everything needs to be spelled out, so I believe this
would be wise to implement to hold sellers accountable.
Jim
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I'll vote yes. Ebay is one thing, but I expect more from BrickLink (thankfully
I have had no problems with smoke odored items from BrickLink sellers so far).
For those living in a non-smoking home with smokey smelling used items,
the least they can do is try to wash the smell out, right? I know that
I can wash most parts with warm water and dish detergent and let soak for a little
while, and use ammonia on the rubber parts if necessary (but taking extra care
to wash and rinse thoroughly afterwards).
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| | | | | Author: | kzinti | | Posted: | Dec 13, 2012 14:56 | | Subject: | Re: Condition to include "smoke smell" as issue | | Viewed: | 59 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, VMAJ writes:
| | I believe the used parts condition in the terms of service area should include
"smoke smell" as an abnormal issue that would need to be acknowledged by the
seller at point of listing. As we all dislike nicks, and wear that show up when
not expected I certainly do not like the odor of what another does with their
time either. Smoke smell is difficult to remove, and is sometimes impossible
to lift if it has been layered on for an extended period.
Common sense should dictate whether you sell something that stinks or not, but
we live in a world where everything needs to be spelled out, so I believe this
would be wise to implement to hold sellers accountable.
Jim
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It would be nice to see this, but not sure on the logistics of how to pull this
one off. As said, you would hope that smokey bricks would not be an issue, but
it is.
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| | | | | Author: | Grego | | Posted: | Dec 13, 2012 15:03 | | Subject: | Re: Condition to include "smoke smell" as issue | | Viewed: | 66 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, VMAJ writes:
| | I believe the used parts condition in the terms of service area should include
"smoke smell" as an abnormal issue that would need to be acknowledged by the
seller at point of listing. As we all dislike nicks, and wear that show up when
not expected I certainly do not like the odor of what another does with their
time either. Smoke smell is difficult to remove, and is sometimes impossible
to lift if it has been layered on for an extended period.
Common sense should dictate whether you sell something that stinks or not, but
we live in a world where everything needs to be spelled out, so I believe this
would be wise to implement to hold sellers accountable.
Jim
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Nice idea bu why limit it to just smoke smell? ... Why not expand it to include
"excess perfume" and "pet free" as well ?
My daughter's dog never, ever stepped foot in my office or LEGO supply rooms
... but once a week I swept up a complete "dog" in excess hari that had blown
in under the doors ... some of which *may* have inadvertently ended up in a buyer's
order
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| | | | | | | Author: | gumby | | Posted: | Dec 13, 2012 15:14 | | Subject: | Re: Condition to include "smoke smell" as issue | | Viewed: | 53 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, Grego writes:
| | In Suggestions, VMAJ writes:
| | I believe the used parts condition in the terms of service area should include
"smoke smell" as an abnormal issue that would need to be acknowledged by the
seller at point of listing. As we all dislike nicks, and wear that show up when
not expected I certainly do not like the odor of what another does with their
time either. Smoke smell is difficult to remove, and is sometimes impossible
to lift if it has been layered on for an extended period.
Common sense should dictate whether you sell something that stinks or not, but
we live in a world where everything needs to be spelled out, so I believe this
would be wise to implement to hold sellers accountable.
Jim
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Nice idea bu why limit it to just smoke smell? ... Why not expand it to include
"excess perfume" and "pet free" as well ?
My daughter's dog never, ever stepped foot in my office or LEGO supply rooms
... but once a week I swept up a complete "dog" in excess hari that had blown
in under the doors ... some of which *may* have inadvertently ended up in a buyer's
order
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I like the suggestion, but I fear that smokers can't tell that there is a smoke
smell, or excess perfume users can't tell that they use excess perfume.
"Smoke-free home" or "Pet-free home" are good - they can be answered with a yes
or no.
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | bb200521 | | Posted: | Dec 14, 2012 08:58 | | Subject: | Re: Condition to include "smoke smell" as issue | | Viewed: | 52 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, gumby writes:
| | In Suggestions, Grego writes:
| | In Suggestions, VMAJ writes:
| | I believe the used parts condition in the terms of service area should include
"smoke smell" as an abnormal issue that would need to be acknowledged by the
seller at point of listing. As we all dislike nicks, and wear that show up when
not expected I certainly do not like the odor of what another does with their
time either. Smoke smell is difficult to remove, and is sometimes impossible
to lift if it has been layered on for an extended period.
Common sense should dictate whether you sell something that stinks or not, but
we live in a world where everything needs to be spelled out, so I believe this
would be wise to implement to hold sellers accountable.
Jim
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Nice idea bu why limit it to just smoke smell? ... Why not expand it to include
"excess perfume" and "pet free" as well ?
My daughter's dog never, ever stepped foot in my office or LEGO supply rooms
... but once a week I swept up a complete "dog" in excess hari that had blown
in under the doors ... some of which *may* have inadvertently ended up in a buyer's
order
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I like the suggestion, but I fear that smokers can't tell that there is a smoke
smell, or excess perfume users can't tell that they use excess perfume.
"Smoke-free home" or "Pet-free home" are good - they can be answered with a yes
or no.
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Not only the smokers... as I lived my first 10 years with a smoker father, I
get used to it and don't notice it, even when I move in a smoke-free environment...
Furthermore, there are so many thing that may disturb on and not another (dust,
lake of airing smell....), that it would become freaky to deal with each one
preference;
As a responsible (or trying to act as...), when I'm not fully happy with this
kind of question, I wash my parts; and I don't ask other to endorse my personal
criteria.
And concerning the pet/smoke free environment, that may have sense with new part.
But for used one, I don't trust this argument. How can somebody tell that it
would always have been true...?
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| | | | | Author: | MikeS | | Posted: | Dec 13, 2012 15:24 | | Subject: | Re: Condition to include "smoke smell" as issue | | Viewed: | 56 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| I vote "YES" on revising the BrickLink Help - Item For Sale Condition section
to include "smoke smell" (... not that most sellers would read it).
Here is the link and passage you are referring to:
http://www.bricklink.com/help.asp?helpID=102&q=used
Parts:
Used Parts - Parts which have been previously used and are presumably still in
good, usable condition. If the parts do show excessive wear, discoloration, excessive
scratches, other marks,etc. this should be noted in the *Comments* field.
I think that one of the problems is ... that the seller does not know that they
(.. I mean their parts) stink like smoke. If they smoke, it is probably unlikely
that they would notice their parts smell (probably like everything else in their
house). They might think their parts are fine.
(Can you guess I'm a non-smoker?  )
MikeS
BRICKMART
In Suggestions, VMAJ writes:
| | I believe the used parts condition in the terms of service area should include
"smoke smell" as an abnormal issue that would need to be acknowledged by the
seller at point of listing. As we all dislike nicks, and wear that show up when
not expected I certainly do not like the odor of what another does with their
time either. Smoke smell is difficult to remove, and is sometimes impossible
to lift if it has been layered on for an extended period.
Common sense should dictate whether you sell something that stinks or not, but
we live in a world where everything needs to be spelled out, so I believe this
would be wise to implement to hold sellers accountable.
Jim
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| | | | | | | Author: | Rolf | | Posted: | Dec 13, 2012 15:29 | | Subject: | Re: Condition to include "smoke smell" as issue | | Viewed: | 50 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, MikeS writes:
| | I think that one of the problems is ... that the seller does not know that they
(.. I mean their parts) stink like smoke. If they smoke, it is probably unlikely
that they would notice their parts smell (probably like everything else in their
house). They might think their parts are fine.
(Can you guess I'm a non-smoker? )
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Yeah I think that was case with my previous problem. Guy sent me "new" displayed
minifigs that had hmm lets use words my niece's words: "very musty, smells funky
smell".
Can you tell that I cannot smell?
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| | | | | | | Author: | V_JAMS | | Posted: | Dec 13, 2012 15:32 | | Subject: | Re: Condition to include "smoke smell" as issue | | Viewed: | 48 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| If you smoke, how do you not know it stinks? I see your point that they are used
to it, but it is pretty obvious that if your entire house smells like smoke everything
that is sent from your residence is going to smell as well. I also see the point
about the perfume, but I haven't received any packages that smell "oh so sweet"
In Suggestions, MikeS writes:
| | I vote "YES" on revising the BrickLink Help - Item For Sale Condition section
to include "smoke smell" (... not that most sellers would read it).
Here is the link and passage you are referring to:
http://www.bricklink.com/help.asp?helpID=102&q=used
Parts:
Used Parts - Parts which have been previously used and are presumably still in
good, usable condition. If the parts do show excessive wear, discoloration, excessive
scratches, other marks,etc. this should be noted in the *Comments* field.
I think that one of the problems is ... that the seller does not know that they
(.. I mean their parts) stink like smoke. If they smoke, it is probably unlikely
that they would notice their parts smell (probably like everything else in their
house). They might think their parts are fine.
(Can you guess I'm a non-smoker? )
MikeS
BRICKMART
In Suggestions, VMAJ writes:
| | I believe the used parts condition in the terms of service area should include
"smoke smell" as an abnormal issue that would need to be acknowledged by the
seller at point of listing. As we all dislike nicks, and wear that show up when
not expected I certainly do not like the odor of what another does with their
time either. Smoke smell is difficult to remove, and is sometimes impossible
to lift if it has been layered on for an extended period.
Common sense should dictate whether you sell something that stinks or not, but
we live in a world where everything needs to be spelled out, so I believe this
would be wise to implement to hold sellers accountable.
Jim
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | Rolf | | Posted: | Dec 13, 2012 15:35 | | Subject: | Re: Condition to include "smoke smell" as issue | | Viewed: | 45 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, VMAJ writes:
| | If you smoke, how do you not know it stinks? I see your point that they are used
to it, but it is pretty obvious that if your entire house smells like smoke everything
that is sent from your residence is going to smell as well. I also see the point
about the perfume, but I haven't received any packages that smell "oh so sweet"
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Smoking apparently affects nose so they can't smell much. That AND if environment
has constant smell, brain adjusts and starts ignoring it. Otherwise you'd be
smelling your nose all time for example I guess. 
http://www.macalester.edu/psychology/whathap/UBNRP/Smell/odor.html
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| | | | | | | | | | | Author: | Biglesdug | | Posted: | Dec 13, 2012 15:50 | | Subject: | Re: Condition to include "smoke smell" as issue | | Viewed: | 40 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, Rolf writes:
| | In Suggestions, VMAJ writes:
| | If you smoke, how do you not know it stinks? I see your point that they are used
to it, but it is pretty obvious that if your entire house smells like smoke everything
that is sent from your residence is going to smell as well. I also see the point
about the perfume, but I haven't received any packages that smell "oh so sweet"
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Smoking apparently affects nose so they can't smell much. That AND if environment
has constant smell, brain adjusts and starts ignoring it. Otherwise you'd be
smelling your nose all time for example I guess.
http://www.macalester.edu/psychology/whathap/UBNRP/Smell/odor.html
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yup and some peoples houses smell musty and they are so used to it they don't
notice. Same with pets some people stink of animals but they don't notice it.
but it is obvious that if you smoke in your house where you keep your Lego the
lego will smell.
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| | | | | Author: | KanalK1 | | Posted: | Dec 13, 2012 15:38 | | Subject: | Re: Condition to include "smoke smell" as issue | | Viewed: | 56 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| I understand to your idea but I don´t think that it will work even if done so.
If certain seller doesn´t have enough intelligence, not to sell smelling parts,
do you really think he will tick "smoke smell" when putting parts into his inventory?
No one likes smoke smell at Lego parts. Even smokers many times don´t. I cannot
imagine, that seller who sells smoke through smelled crap, will honestly admit
this, knowing, that most of buyers will keep off....
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| | | | | | | Author: | MikeS | | Posted: | Dec 13, 2012 16:29 | | Subject: | Re: Condition to include "smoke smell" as issue | | Viewed: | 50 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| I don't think that Jim (original post) is suggesting having a checkbox when adding
parts to inventory like [ ] New, [ ] Used, [ ] Sealed, [ ] Incomplete, etc.
I think he was merely suggesting that BrickLink add it to the Help section for
used part conditions.
(See my post ... http://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=686894 )
Maybe then when a buyer receives "stinky" parts, they may have some recourse
to ask the seller for a resolution if they did not list any issues with the part
in the description field. Similary how sellers should note parts that show excessive
wear, discoloration, excessive scratches, other marks, etc.
More of a buyer protection issue I think - having BL list it in their terms.
Am I correct Jim?
Besides, what seller is going to click the checkbox ... [ ] My Stuff Stinks!
MikeS
BRICKMART
In Suggestions, KanalK1 writes:
| | I understand to your idea but I don´t think that it will work even if done so.
If certain seller doesn´t have enough intelligence, not to sell smelling parts,
do you really think he will tick "smoke smell" when putting parts into his inventory?
No one likes smoke smell at Lego parts. Even smokers many times don´t. I cannot
imagine, that seller who sells smoke through smelled crap, will honestly admit
this, knowing, that most of buyers will keep off....
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | V_JAMS | | Posted: | Dec 13, 2012 16:49 | | Subject: | Re: Condition to include "smoke smell" as issue | | Viewed: | 60 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| Yes Mike, that was my implication. My order that I received was from someone
who did acknowledge it, and stated since they did no wrong in the TOS that I
was basically out of luck. Their lack of care is why I think there should be
some liability attached to the seller at point of listing.
In Suggestions, MikeS writes:
| | I don't think that Jim (original post) is suggesting having a checkbox when adding
parts to inventory like [ ] New, [ ] Used, [ ] Sealed, [ ] Incomplete, etc.
I think he was merely suggesting that BrickLink add it to the Help section for
used part conditions.
(See my post ... http://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=686894 )
Maybe then when a buyer receives "stinky" parts, they may have some recourse
to ask the seller for a resolution if they did not list any issues with the part
in the description field. Similary how sellers should note parts that show excessive
wear, discoloration, excessive scratches, other marks, etc.
More of a buyer protection issue I think - having BL list it in their terms.
Am I correct Jim?
Besides, what seller is going to click the checkbox ... [ ] My Stuff Stinks!
MikeS
BRICKMART
In Suggestions, KanalK1 writes:
| | I understand to your idea but I don´t think that it will work even if done so.
If certain seller doesn´t have enough intelligence, not to sell smelling parts,
do you really think he will tick "smoke smell" when putting parts into his inventory?
No one likes smoke smell at Lego parts. Even smokers many times don´t. I cannot
imagine, that seller who sells smoke through smelled crap, will honestly admit
this, knowing, that most of buyers will keep off....
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| | | | | Author: | cptnruthless | | Posted: | Dec 13, 2012 15:52 | | Subject: | Re: Condition to include "smoke smell" as issue | | Viewed: | 60 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, VMAJ writes:
| | I believe the used parts condition in the terms of service area should include
"smoke smell" as an abnormal issue that would need to be acknowledged by the
seller at point of listing. As we all dislike nicks, and wear that show up when
not expected I certainly do not like the odor of what another does with their
time either. Smoke smell is difficult to remove, and is sometimes impossible
to lift if it has been layered on for an extended period.
Common sense should dictate whether you sell something that stinks or not, but
we live in a world where everything needs to be spelled out, so I believe this
would be wise to implement to hold sellers accountable.
Jim
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I have only received one order that smelled like smoke. I let the seller know,
they were very sorry about it (they admitted that they didn't have an acute sense
of smell) and they sent me a full refund. Which was good since cleaning them
IN VINEGAR, putting them in a ziplock bag with a few dryer sheets and letting
them sit for over a month did not help them any.
My bricks are from a smoke free home and do not reek of smoke I've noted
in my splash page that I do have cats, in case anyone is crazy allergic!
-Ruth
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| | | | | Author: | bagelboybugle | | Posted: | Dec 13, 2012 16:38 | | Subject: | Re: Condition to include "smoke smell" as issue | | Viewed: | 57 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, VMAJ writes:
| | I believe the used parts condition in the terms of service area should include
"smoke smell" as an abnormal issue that would need to be acknowledged by the
seller at point of listing. As we all dislike nicks, and wear that show up when
not expected I certainly do not like the odor of what another does with their
time either. Smoke smell is difficult to remove, and is sometimes impossible
to lift if it has been layered on for an extended period.
Common sense should dictate whether you sell something that stinks or not, but
we live in a world where everything needs to be spelled out, so I believe this
would be wise to implement to hold sellers accountable.
Jim
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I can see the logic on this.
there are many sellers, smokers and none smokers alike who would appreciate such
a condition description when listing rare used parts so that buyers could refuse
such items on their wanted lists and not rush to buy something they may later
complain about. This is particularly true of none-smoking sellers perhaps who
aquire some exquisite items from a smoker.
I do though agree with the above point about why limit to smoke, there are indeed
other condition indicators (odours and otherwise) which may be necessary for
an honest seller to declare.
Perhaps a more workable solution would be a condition indicator that requires
a buyer to read and acknowledge a description during the checkout process, so
they submit the order knowing about any specific faults the seller has chosen
to share?
Gareth
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| | | | | | | Author: | wyldkat1976 | | Posted: | Dec 14, 2012 10:05 | | Subject: | Re: Condition to include "smoke smell" as issue | | Viewed: | 61 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, bagelboybugle writes:
| | In Suggestions, VMAJ writes:
| | I believe the used parts condition in the terms of service area should include
"smoke smell" as an abnormal issue that would need to be acknowledged by the
seller at point of listing. As we all dislike nicks, and wear that show up when
not expected I certainly do not like the odor of what another does with their
time either. Smoke smell is difficult to remove, and is sometimes impossible
to lift if it has been layered on for an extended period.
Common sense should dictate whether you sell something that stinks or not, but
we live in a world where everything needs to be spelled out, so I believe this
would be wise to implement to hold sellers accountable.
Jim
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I can see the logic on this.
there are many sellers, smokers and none smokers alike who would appreciate such
a condition description when listing rare used parts so that buyers could refuse
such items on their wanted lists and not rush to buy something they may later
complain about. This is particularly true of none-smoking sellers perhaps who
aquire some exquisite items from a smoker.
I do though agree with the above point about why limit to smoke, there are indeed
other condition indicators (odours and otherwise) which may be necessary for
an honest seller to declare.
Perhaps a more workable solution would be a condition indicator that requires
a buyer to read and acknowledge a description during the checkout process, so
they submit the order knowing about any specific faults the seller has chosen
to share?
Gareth
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I agree with that Gareth, many years ago now somebody purchase some old waffle
bottom plates off me which clearly stated in the description that they all showed
light ageing and yellowing. After receiving the items the seller sent an email
caling me very name under the sun because the plates were not pure white and
I should be struck off Bricklink. When I replied that it clearly stated in the
comments that they were aged and slightly yellowed he simply replied " That isn't
my problem, I don't have time to read descriptions, my time is to important".
Needless to say they made it straight onto my block list and as they were new,
never ever purchased agin from Bricklink.
It just shows, no matter what you put in the description, somebody will always
complain.
And yes, any faults of any sort are always noted in the description in our store,
and we are a totally smoke free house.
Like most have said though the idea is good, but were does it stop, I mean how
would you describe the presence of small, wirey hairs that seem to turn up in
many lots from the other site. Quite how they get in I will never know, but it
makes me shudder when I find one, and the Lego goes straight in the bin because
I have this awful image of what the seller was doing while packing their lego!
Kev
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| | | | | Author: | wyldkat1976 | | Posted: | Dec 14, 2012 13:03 | | Subject: | Re: Condition to include "smoke smell" as issue | | Viewed: | 37 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, VMAJ writes:
| | I believe the used parts condition in the terms of service area should include
"smoke smell" as an abnormal issue that would need to be acknowledged by the
seller at point of listing. As we all dislike nicks, and wear that show up when
not expected I certainly do not like the odor of what another does with their
time either. Smoke smell is difficult to remove, and is sometimes impossible
to lift if it has been layered on for an extended period.
Common sense should dictate whether you sell something that stinks or not, but
we live in a world where everything needs to be spelled out, so I believe this
would be wise to implement to hold sellers accountable.
Jim
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On a lighter note, if you are doing a MOC recreating the interior of a 1950's
British pub I suppose it would add a realistic aroma to the build!
Kev
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| As would a few yellowed bricks and misted windows, the perfect MOC really for
all those parts you don't want!
Kev
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