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| | | Author: | junkpile  | | Posted: | Mar 14, 2011 16:04 | | Subject: | Admin... Easy request to consider | | Viewed: | 443 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | | Status: | Open | | Vote: | [Yes|No] | |
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| Hello Admin,
I know your a busy guy and doing a good job around here. This is a simple request
which has been mentioned before in the forum but not the same idea.
Can we PLEASE put a yes or no radio button in STORE TERMS page that says if seller
has smokey bricks in their store.
I have extreme allergies and Asthma this is a medical need and I'm not the only
one here. Also the majority of people here don't like smoke smelling bricks
anyway.
reason 2. It's not fair to offer an item with smoke and not mention it as they
are worth less than the same item without smoke. Especially when it is very
strong as in this case. Limited buyers are willing to even Accept smokey items.
The seller I got this last batch from has NOTHING in splash page or Terms and
no comments prior in feedback so no way to know. For the smoke to be this strong
of a smell I have no doubt he's had problems in the past as I knew a seller who
did that who kept getting paypal reversals and requests to return here on bricklink
even though that person ALSO never had bad feedback but had trouble every couple
of orders and just worked it out. Not fair to his customers to have to go through
that.
Having a simple radio buttion "Yes I do sometimes offer smokey bricks" or
"NO, I never sell Smokey Bricks." Is a simple solution and one that will help
alot of people and alot of unpleasant orders. You will still see the money since
we will just buy from someone else here on Bricklink and be happy with the order.
Thank you for taking the time to consider,
Junkpile
Side Note for those who have had this problem.
This is my 2nd batch of smokey bricks within the past couple months. I've had
sellers on here tell me "NO I don't smoke or have smokey bricks" and give me
stuff that is chain smoker strong. At least this way we can know upfront and
as a community we can let it be known if they lie about it.
Side note for those who have suffered the same problem. I did have some minor
success with cleaning the Lego but it has expense and frustration to it.
1. Step one soak all the lego in Vinegar, soap and water for few hours at least.
Then scrub them. This by itself will not clean them
2. Let them air out in a garage or outside.
3. Put them in a plastic zip lock bags (I used a gallon bag) and spray lemon
scented cleaner all over the bricks and let it sit for 2 days.
4. Wash them again and let them air dry for a day or so.
The smoke smell was still there but it was extremely faint, the lemon smell is
over shadowing it and it didn't break out my skin now. To smell it now I have
to put the piece all the way to my nose... a few pieces did get completely clean
of the smoke. Various types of lego resins had slightly different results. (BEWARE
as this would damage stickers or items like that) The plastic did not lose any
integrity through process for me.
Hope that helps someone, alot of work and some expense.. but better than throwing
them in the garbage which IS WHAT I WOULD HAVE TO DO if I couldn't get them clean.
I wouldn't dare sell them to someone else in my store. Though I know smokers
can't smell it like we can as they are used to it.
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| | | | | Author: | FigBits | | Posted: | Mar 14, 2011 16:34 | | Subject: | Re: Admin... Easy request to consider | | Viewed: | 100 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, junkpile writes:
| | Can we PLEASE put a yes or no radio button in STORE TERMS page that says if seller
has smokey bricks in their store.
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| | This is my 2nd batch of smokey bricks within the past couple months. I've had
sellers on here tell me "NO I don't smoke or have smokey bricks" and give me
stuff that is chain smoker strong.
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Which is why the suggestion wouldn't solve anything. Sellers who don't accurately
describe the condition of their parts aren't going to be magically corrected
by check-boxes or radio buttons that tell them to accurately describe the condition
of their parts.
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Marc.
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| | | | | Author: | maggiec | | Posted: | Mar 14, 2011 16:59 | | Subject: | Re: Admin... Easy request to consider | | Viewed: | 95 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, junkpile writes:
| | Hello Admin,
I know your a busy guy and doing a good job around here. This is a simple request
which has been mentioned before in the forum but not the same idea.
Can we PLEASE put a yes or no radio button in STORE TERMS page that says if seller
has smokey bricks in their store.
I have extreme allergies and Asthma this is a medical need and I'm not the only
one here. Also the majority of people here don't like smoke smelling bricks
anyway.
reason 2. It's not fair to offer an item with smoke and not mention it as they
are worth less than the same item without smoke. Especially when it is very
strong as in this case. Limited buyers are willing to even Accept smokey items.
The seller I got this last batch from has NOTHING in splash page or Terms and
no comments prior in feedback so no way to know. For the smoke to be this strong
of a smell I have no doubt he's had problems in the past as I knew a seller who
did that who kept getting paypal reversals and requests to return here on bricklink
even though that person ALSO never had bad feedback but had trouble every couple
of orders and just worked it out. Not fair to his customers to have to go through
that.
Having a simple radio buttion "Yes I do sometimes offer smokey bricks" or
"NO, I never sell Smokey Bricks." Is a simple solution and one that will help
alot of people and alot of unpleasant orders. You will still see the money since
we will just buy from someone else here on Bricklink and be happy with the order.
Thank you for taking the time to consider,
Junkpile
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The problem with suggestions such as these is that by having a radio button for
smoky bricks, the implication could be that BL would or should get involved in
enforcing this, when it's actually similar to what Foster said about people fudging
PayPal payment methods-- it isn't the place of BL to be policing this.
Not to mention what Marc said about possible problems associated with accurately
determining what is smoky.
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| | | | | Author: | AndersPaludan | | Posted: | Mar 14, 2011 17:20 | | Subject: | Re: Admin... Easy request to consider | | Viewed: | 81 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, junkpile writes:
| | Hello Admin,
Can we PLEASE put a yes or no radio button in STORE TERMS page that says if seller
has smokey bricks in their store.
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You already have the means of fighting this problem.
If you (and others who feel strongly about this) would
leave non positive fb and explain the problem, you could
warn others about smoke/spiders/clone parts/pubic hairs/whatever.
By leaving +fb you indicate that everything was fine.
Anders 
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| | | | | Author: | Speciale | | Posted: | Mar 14, 2011 17:52 | | Subject: | Re: Admin... Easy request to consider | | Viewed: | 89 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, junkpile writes:
| | Hello Admin,
I know your a busy guy and doing a good job around here. This is a simple request
which has been mentioned before in the forum but not the same idea.
Can we PLEASE put a yes or no radio button in STORE TERMS page that says if seller
has smokey bricks in their store.
I have extreme allergies and Asthma this is a medical need and I'm not the only
one here. Also the majority of people here don't like smoke smelling bricks
anyway.
reason 2. It's not fair to offer an item with smoke and not mention it as they
are worth less than the same item without smoke. Especially when it is very
strong as in this case. Limited buyers are willing to even Accept smokey items.
The seller I got this last batch from has NOTHING in splash page or Terms and
no comments prior in feedback so no way to know. For the smoke to be this strong
of a smell I have no doubt he's had problems in the past as I knew a seller who
did that who kept getting paypal reversals and requests to return here on bricklink
even though that person ALSO never had bad feedback but had trouble every couple
of orders and just worked it out. Not fair to his customers to have to go through
that.
Having a simple radio buttion "Yes I do sometimes offer smokey bricks" or
"NO, I never sell Smokey Bricks." Is a simple solution and one that will help
alot of people and alot of unpleasant orders. You will still see the money since
we will just buy from someone else here on Bricklink and be happy with the order.
Thank you for taking the time to consider,
Junkpile
Side Note for those who have had this problem.
This is my 2nd batch of smokey bricks within the past couple months. I've had
sellers on here tell me "NO I don't smoke or have smokey bricks" and give me
stuff that is chain smoker strong. At least this way we can know upfront and
as a community we can let it be known if they lie about it.
Side note for those who have suffered the same problem. I did have some minor
success with cleaning the Lego but it has expense and frustration to it.
1. Step one soak all the lego in Vinegar, soap and water for few hours at least.
Then scrub them. This by itself will not clean them
2. Let them air out in a garage or outside.
3. Put them in a plastic zip lock bags (I used a gallon bag) and spray lemon
scented cleaner all over the bricks and let it sit for 2 days.
4. Wash them again and let them air dry for a day or so.
The smoke smell was still there but it was extremely faint, the lemon smell is
over shadowing it and it didn't break out my skin now. To smell it now I have
to put the piece all the way to my nose... a few pieces did get completely clean
of the smoke. Various types of lego resins had slightly different results. (BEWARE
as this would damage stickers or items like that) The plastic did not lose any
integrity through process for me.
Hope that helps someone, alot of work and some expense.. but better than throwing
them in the garbage which IS WHAT I WOULD HAVE TO DO if I couldn't get them clean.
I wouldn't dare sell them to someone else in my store. Though I know smokers
can't smell it like we can as they are used to it.
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whay you dont ask the seller first if his store is smoke or and pad free ? and
you make a list of stores where you can buy or not ?
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| | | | | | | Author: | junkpile | | Posted: | Mar 14, 2011 18:25 | | Subject: | Re: Admin... Easy request to consider | | Viewed: | 61 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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whay you dont ask the seller first if his store is smoke or and pad free ? and
you make a list of stores where you can buy or not ?
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If you look at the other thread on smoke... you will clearly see I HAVE done
this and they don't always tell the truth. Could they Lie on a radio button..yes
but customers would quickly pick up on it and let them know positive peer pressure
is a good thing. The community not Bricklink administration can take care of
it once the terms lets us know what to expect.
But there is a much more important reason why that won't work. Alot of times
I need rare parts and pieces and have to buy them instantly when they hit or
they are gone. I really don't have time to wait for a seller to reply in a day
or two.
This smoke problem has been in the Forum so many times ...is a radio button going
to kill you to fix it? NO and it's simple a one time thing and you don't have
to look at it again. But it's there for the tons of people who do want to know
what they are getting.
Sorry Anders...I don't like leaving negative feedback unless I have to. Plus
paybacks for negative feedback.
This is all about GOOD COMMUNICATION!!!!!! What is wrong with good communication
between sellers and buyers. It's an easy way to improve this and help us know
instantly as a buyer what we are getting and for health issues if it's safe.
As for sellers it prevents negative feedback, paypal reversals, unhappy buyers
in general by using good communication.
There are only two people who could object to this as I see it:
1. The smoker who wants to hide the fact he is selling stinky bricks and wants
to make sales to people who will hate his product. (not the honest smoker who
wants people who don't mind it and will be happy with his product)
2. The poor guy that has to put in the radio button even though it's pretty basic.
Sorry Good communication is a small request and will only benefit this community.
As many times as it's been in the forum a tiny radio button is a small thing
to ask. How many times have people begged it to be in splash pages over and
over.. never did much good. This has been an issue for years. Such an easy solution!
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | renhoffman | | Posted: | Mar 14, 2011 18:36 | | Subject: | Re: Admin... Easy request to consider | | Viewed: | 55 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| | | Sorry Anders...I don't like leaving negative feedback unless I have to. Plus
paybacks for negative feedback.
This is all about GOOD COMMUNICATION!!!!!! What is wrong with good communication
between sellers and buyers. It's an easy way to improve this and help us know
instantly as a buyer what we are getting and for health issues if it's safe.
As for sellers it prevents negative feedback, paypal reversals, unhappy buyers
in general by using good communication.
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I think that you haven't been using the current system to its full potential.
Your second paragraph is exactly right, and you can communicate to future buyers
by leaving proper feedback. I have no objection to your radio button idea, except
that it will not really achieve anything. What if nobody checks the box? What
good would that do? What if nobody ever left a negative feedback, even if they
were not at all happy with a transaction?
Darren
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| | | | | | | | | | | Author: | junkpile | | Posted: | Mar 14, 2011 19:00 | | Subject: | Re: Admin... Easy request to consider | | Viewed: | 50 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| Hello Darren,
I understand your point about feedback.. I have left negative feedback and do.
But only when it can't be resolved in another fashion through communication.
I should point out 98% of orders are great... the others are seller forgot to
send the item though I order tons of parts were human, seller didn't pack it
properly like the person who sent me a very RARE! train base in an envelope
and it got here in the shape of a "V" literally and I paid alot for it. the
worst one though is the smoke... I can't really fix this and it's often expensive
to return a large lot.
As to your Other point that was a Great point. The problem in the past has been
sellers didn't bother to note anything. This should be a REQUIRED box or button
in order to sell.
Yes, I sometimes sell smokey bricks.
NO, I never sell smokey Bricks.
It's a one time thing that takes each seller a second to do. click done!!!
Good communication isn't a bad thing. If I see a part that says NEW I would
expect it to come from a clean environment...but not true here on bricklink.
If seller parts new sets and keeps them in home they smoke in regular it does
affect the bricks.
Not many people here would go to the local store and accept that...why should
we?
You know I could just call up paypal when this happens I'm sure they'd see my
side. But I DON'T DO THAT! Instead I try a peaceful solution here and have done
my best to clean the lego. Though I have returned some as I paid way too much
for smoke. Just get a little upfront Good communication.
To be honest I'm totally surprised by the oppositition.
The suggestion about the radio button not being clicked is the best argument
I've heard but simply fixed to a required checkbox which is still simple and
keep the same idea.
is one second out of each sellers day really a problem? I've done far more for
other changes here in the forum.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | krank1973 | | Posted: | Mar 14, 2011 19:15 | | Subject: | Re: Admin... Easy request to consider | | Viewed: | 43 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, junkpile writes:
| | Hello Darren,
I understand your point about feedback.. I have left negative feedback and do.
But only when it can't be resolved in another fashion through communication.
I should point out 98% of orders are great... the others are seller forgot to
send the item though I order tons of parts were human, seller didn't pack it
properly like the person who sent me a very RARE! train base in an envelope
and it got here in the shape of a "V" literally and I paid alot for it. the
worst one though is the smoke... I can't really fix this and it's often expensive
to return a large lot.
As to your Other point that was a Great point. The problem in the past has been
sellers didn't bother to note anything. This should be a REQUIRED box or button
in order to sell.
Yes, I sometimes sell smokey bricks.
NO, I never sell smokey Bricks.
It's a one time thing that takes each seller a second to do. click done!!!
Good communication isn't a bad thing. If I see a part that says NEW I would
expect it to come from a clean environment...but not true here on bricklink.
If seller parts new sets and keeps them in home they smoke in regular it does
affect the bricks.
Not many people here would go to the local store and accept that...why should
we?
You know I could just call up paypal when this happens I'm sure they'd see my
side. But I DON'T DO THAT! Instead I try a peaceful solution here and have done
my best to clean the lego. Though I have returned some as I paid way too much
for smoke. Just get a little upfront Good communication.
To be honest I'm totally surprised by the oppositition.
The suggestion about the radio button not being clicked is the best argument
I've heard but simply fixed to a required checkbox which is still simple and
keep the same idea.
is one second out of each sellers day really a problem? I've done far more for
other changes here in the forum.
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ummmm.....
so should we have checkboxes for :-
some of my used bricks may be scuffed??
some of my used bricks may have bite marks??
Some of my used bricks may be pat pend or older - but I can't be bothered to
check??
some of my bricks may be yellowed.??
It is surely up to individual sellers to uphold common values & be straight -
not a question of ticking boxes!!
Just my 5p - not disagreeing but I just can't see this being accepted or applied...
Andy
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | schlectus | | Posted: | Mar 14, 2011 18:50 | | Subject: | Re: Admin... Easy request to consider | | Viewed: | 50 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| Junkpile, I personally think you bring up some excellent points. And I hope
that my questions to you will come across as honest questions, and not a "smoker's
rebuttal".
I myself am a smoker. (just getting that part out of the way!) But in the case
of my collection, I don't smoke anywhere near the LEGO; in fact, not only does
this not happen in the room where my LEGO is stored, it doesn't even happen on
the same floor. When I separate out sets to include new parts in my store, the
parts are individually bagged up by type. These bags are then put into larger
gallon-sized bags, and then those bags are put into large Sterilite containers.
My hope is that any lingerings of my habit do not become evident in any way,
and that my new parts will be just as "fresh" as anybody else's.
My used parts are also stored in Plano boxes, so there is no exposure there as
well. (and keep in mind, all of this is done far away from where any smoking
actually occurs.) So my question to you is, is this honestly enough? I would
think that it is, but like you pointed out, my nose is clearly not as sensitive
as other people's might be.
The other question would be involving the nature of used parts in general. When
the stores here buy used parts, they can come from several different sources,
whether it be ebay, craigslist, other sellers, garage sales, you name it. Some
of those places will be smoke free, but others aren't. When everything is sorted
together and then packed into the containers, I'm sure it's possible that some
people have unwittingly mixed in a few parts that have smokey smell with hundreds
of other ones that are cleaner. If anything of mine ended up smelling like somebody's
ashtray, it certainly wouldn't be because I'm puffing into the pile, but because
I picked up some used stock somewhere from an old collection owned by a smoker.
As has already been discussed though, my nose is no longer as sensitive as yours...and
for me, it certainly wouldn't be a question of shadiness or trying to hide something...it
would be more of a situation regarding my own honest ignorance. I think you
would be able to detect any slight smoke smell much more than I ever could.
Personally, I think used parts will always run that risk, smoker or not, no matter
who you buy from. New parts are really the only guarantee here, IMO. I don't
include my habits in my store terms, because I feel that I have protected my
parts from these odors. If my new parts have successfully maintained their "freshness",
I don't necessarily want to cause any concern that my home is a smoke-infested
filth-hole, and your package might include some extra free cigarette butts  ...but
I definitely don't want anyone misled either. If somebody shops at my store,
I want them to be happy with their parts.
Thoughts? And please understand...I am definitely willing to be open-minded
here. If you feel that this should be included in my store terms, I'm certainly
open to the possibility. But I would also have to say that ALL used parts run
that risk, and that could open up a can of worms in forcing all stores to state
something that might have to be taken as an obvious fact.
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | bagelboybugle | | Posted: | Mar 14, 2011 19:11 | | Subject: | Re: Admin... Easy request to consider | | Viewed: | 59 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, junkpile writes:
| | This smoke problem has been in the Forum so many times ...is a radio button going
to kill you to fix it? NO and it's simple a one time thing and you don't have
to look at it again. But it's there for the tons of people who do want to know
what they are getting.
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Problem is that bricklink would then need similar buttons for every allergen...
does seller eat peanuts... does seller have cats... does seller have dogs...
does seller eat cheese... does seller work with chemicals... does seller hoover
and dust regularly
extreme it may seem and yes one or two of those probably are a tad OTT, but once
you start adding buttons you create justification to add new buttons.
| | This is all about GOOD COMMUNICATION!!!!!! What is wrong with good communication
between sellers and buyers. It's an easy way to improve this and help us know
instantly as a buyer what we are getting and for health issues if it's safe.
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Communication is always important, but in this context, where does one draw the
line? I dont intend to be flippant, there are many many odour types which can
transfer to lego when its been handled, I should not have to ask a seller what
they ate for dinner or whether they have washed their hands properly, I consider
it purely as common sense, sellers, whether smokers or not should ensure they
wash their hands before handling stock.
Now, clearly, used items need a little more give, even a none smoking seller
could inadvertantly supply contaminated items without realising sometimes.
| | There are only two people who could object to this as I see it:
1. The smoker who wants to hide the fact he is selling stinky bricks and wants
to make sales to people who will hate his product. (not the honest smoker who
wants people who don't mind it and will be happy with his product)
2. The poor guy that has to put in the radio button even though it's pretty basic.
Sorry Good communication is a small request and will only benefit this community.
As many times as it's been in the forum a tiny radio button is a small thing
to ask. How many times have people begged it to be in splash pages over and
over.. never did much good. This has been an issue for years. Such an easy solution!
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As stated upthread, it would be inneffective...
besides, looking at your feedback left, youve left positive feedback for at least
4 sellers (I will not name names) who I know to smoke or at least did smoke when
you placed orders, some of which you have placed several orders with and left
positive feedback a number of times, so clearly its not the smoking thats the
problem but the personal hygiene standards and general common sense.
Therefore, logically, read feedback for any signs of smoky bricks and leave appropriate
feedback for careless sellers.
My tips for smokers.
1) smoke outside, never inside
2) wash hands thoroughly soon after smoking and shortly before handling any product,
using an odour-neutralising handwash will help too, I recommend ones with lime
extract.
3) stop smoking
My tips for non-smokers
1)wash hands thoroughly shortly before handling any product, using an odour-neutralising
handwash will help too, I recommend ones with lime extract.
End of the day, whether a hobbyist or a pro, it does not matter, you run a storefront
which looks professional and people, especially new members who have never encountered
hobby sellers before will expect goods they buy to meet their expectations and
be free from any odour or allergen, especially when buying new.
thus simples, smoker or non smoker, curry eater, peanut eater, cat owner, dog
owner, cheese eater... whatever, its not relevant... what matters is that no
matter what else,
think
GOOD PERSONAL HYGIENE.
simples 
Gareth
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| | | | | | | | | | | Author: | junkpile | | Posted: | Mar 14, 2011 19:19 | | Subject: | Re: Admin... Easy request to consider | | Viewed: | 41 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| I hear what your saying Gareth and have been friends a long time here and I respect
you.
But lets face it....all allergens you mentioned wash off easy. Smoke is a chemical
reaction and not the same. It is in the pores of the elements and extremely and
often immpossible to remove. That puts it in a totally DIFFERENT category by
itself.
As I said before I'm allergic to other things and I hope people don't eat their
lego so no fear of peanuts..though I did get some chew marks on some orders 
The cost and expense is everybit as much a problem with this issue than just
the health which is spelled out in the very first post.
I've lost alot of money on this, time, frustration as have many many others.
Plenty of threads begging for help here should be at long last answered.
What about the value... heavy smokey bricks are not worth the same value as bricks
that have no ill smell or residue on them. This helps people know what they
are getting
Again people we are arguing over one second of time for a seller to click.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | captainkeeli | | Posted: | Mar 14, 2011 19:20 | | Subject: | Re: Admin... Easy request to consider | | Viewed: | 48 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, junkpile writes:
| | I hear what your saying Gareth and have been friends a long time here and I respect
you.
But lets face it....all allergens you mentioned wash off easy. Smoke is a chemical
reaction and not the same. It is in the pores of the elements and extremely and
often immpossible to remove. That puts it in a totally DIFFERENT category by
itself.
As I said before I'm allergic to other things and I hope people don't eat their
lego so no fear of peanuts..though I did get some chew marks on some orders
The cost and expense is everybit as much a problem with this issue than just
the health which is spelled out in the very first post.
I've lost alot of money on this, time, frustration as have many many others.
Plenty of threads begging for help here should be at long last answered.
What about the value... heavy smokey bricks are not worth the same value as bricks
that have no ill smell or residue on them. This helps people know what they
are getting
Again people we are arguing over one second of time for a seller to click.
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I'm adding to my store terms that I have no-smoke bricks right now!
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | junkpile | | Posted: | Mar 14, 2011 20:17 | | Subject: | Re: Admin... Easy request to consider | | Viewed: | 30 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| Okay a friend of mine and another recent e-mail reminded me...and I may have
not been clear that this is NOT an attack on smokers. Many good friends smoke
that is their choice and I accept that.
This is only about Product being sold and NOT the seller as a person.
Like I told someone I don't put a smokers clothes in my closet why should I put
their lego there? It's their choice...but I have a right to my choice.. especially
when it affects my health AND my earned Money.
There are great sellers who smoke. many of which do like some of my family and
smoke outside or in a garage or something since they don't even love the smell...
not saying all smoke outside for that reason some do it out of consideration
for others.
If a seller smokes in a seperate outside area that is not ventilated back to
their lego stock I'd be fine with them marking NO smoke on lego bricks.. I
have bought from this type of seller with NO problem.
If smoke could be washed off I wouldn't have made this post...it can't. You
can take it through various processes which sometimes result well sometimes not
depending on elements and what type of smoke was used.
I read Foster's last post and if we can't get a required box...which will do
far better, I'd settle for an optional box as many sellers would at least see
it this way.
While I have had 1 person lie to me about smoke on Bricklink most people are
relatively honest and would check the correct answer leaving a low margin for
error.
Like a smart business man once told me if most people weren't honest our society
couldn't even work as most of our laws regardless of your nationality are based
on good people following them for the most part.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | bagelboybugle | | Posted: | Mar 14, 2011 19:59 | | Subject: | Re: Admin... Easy request to consider | | Viewed: | 51 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, junkpile writes:
| | I hear what your saying Gareth and have been friends a long time here and I respect
you.
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mutual
| | But lets face it....all allergens you mentioned wash off easy. Smoke is a chemical
reaction and not the same. It is in the pores of the elements and extremely and
often immpossible to remove. That puts it in a totally DIFFERENT category by
itself.
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exactly, odour washes from hands or you wouldnt have given repeat business to
the prementioned smokers... of course, common sense dictates that for smoke to
be a hand and clothing only issue requires the sellers premises to be smoke free
too. And of course it would be much preferred if those smokers who did make painstaking
efforts to keep stock smoke free also went to the trouble of using disposable
plastic gloves (like in foodservice) to further reduce the chances of contamination.
A major factor is the premises, if a seller smokes indoors, even on a different
floor, the chance of contamination increases hugely, so its a no no... pure common
sense.
Potentially the same with cooking odours too, I think most folks have the common
sense not to store lego in the kitchen if they are cooking strong foods.
| | As I said before I'm allergic to other things and I hope people don't eat their
lego so no fear of peanuts..though I did get some chew marks on some orders
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Actually theres alot of people who are very sensitive to certain allergens, mere
touches of trace elements can cause a reaction, my aunt is like that with cheese,
fortunately just a skin reaction if its not eaten.
| | I've lost alot of money on this, time, frustration as have many many others.
Plenty of threads begging for help here should be at long last answered.
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And an ignorable unenforcable tick box would have done precisely nothing to prevent
that.
| | Again people we are arguing over one second of time for a seller to click.
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Im not arguing, just presenting a different point of view.
Mainly that its not the duty of the seller to tick a box, rather it is the moral
(and in some cases legal) duty of the seller to adhere to the reasonable automatic
presumption of the buyer that the parts (particularly new) will be of a particular
standard and be free from smoke or other orders.
The biggest `problem` for lack of a better word with a check box is that it changes
the presumption from `it should be good unless otherwise stated` to `it should
be bad unless otherwise stated`
and that dumbs us down to ebay levels and I dont personally as an individual
like what that represents...
Gareth
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | istokg | | Posted: | Mar 15, 2011 17:11 | | Subject: | Re: Admin... Easy request to consider | | Viewed: | 66 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In ABS plastic (Acrylnitrile Butadiene Styrene), it is the Butadiene that absorbs
the smoke. There is an easy way to remove the smoke... but sadly over 99% of
AFOLs don't have access to it... a vacuum chamber... such as one found in university
laboratories.
When smoky LEGO is put into a vacuum chamber for 24 hours, the smoke absorbed
by the Butadiene is eliminated.
Sadly it's not a practical solution...
Cheers,
Gary Istok
P.S. I found this out a few years back doing research on the chapter on LEGO
plastics of my Unofficial LEGO Sets/Parts Collectors Guide.
In Suggestions, bagelboybugle writes:
| | In Suggestions, junkpile writes:
| | I hear what your saying Gareth and have been friends a long time here and I respect
you.
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mutual
| | But lets face it....all allergens you mentioned wash off easy. Smoke is a chemical
reaction and not the same. It is in the pores of the elements and extremely and
often immpossible to remove. That puts it in a totally DIFFERENT category by
itself.
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exactly, odour washes from hands or you wouldnt have given repeat business to
the prementioned smokers... of course, common sense dictates that for smoke to
be a hand and clothing only issue requires the sellers premises to be smoke free
too. And of course it would be much preferred if those smokers who did make painstaking
efforts to keep stock smoke free also went to the trouble of using disposable
plastic gloves (like in foodservice) to further reduce the chances of contamination.
A major factor is the premises, if a seller smokes indoors, even on a different
floor, the chance of contamination increases hugely, so its a no no... pure common
sense.
Potentially the same with cooking odours too, I think most folks have the common
sense not to store lego in the kitchen if they are cooking strong foods.
| | As I said before I'm allergic to other things and I hope people don't eat their
lego so no fear of peanuts..though I did get some chew marks on some orders
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Actually theres alot of people who are very sensitive to certain allergens, mere
touches of trace elements can cause a reaction, my aunt is like that with cheese,
fortunately just a skin reaction if its not eaten.
| | I've lost alot of money on this, time, frustration as have many many others.
Plenty of threads begging for help here should be at long last answered.
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And an ignorable unenforcable tick box would have done precisely nothing to prevent
that.
| | Again people we are arguing over one second of time for a seller to click.
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Im not arguing, just presenting a different point of view.
Mainly that its not the duty of the seller to tick a box, rather it is the moral
(and in some cases legal) duty of the seller to adhere to the reasonable automatic
presumption of the buyer that the parts (particularly new) will be of a particular
standard and be free from smoke or other orders.
The biggest `problem` for lack of a better word with a check box is that it changes
the presumption from `it should be good unless otherwise stated` to `it should
be bad unless otherwise stated`
and that dumbs us down to ebay levels and I dont personally as an individual
like what that represents...
Gareth
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | bagelboybugle | | Posted: | Mar 15, 2011 17:38 | | Subject: | Re: Admin... Easy request to consider | | Viewed: | 38 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, istokg writes:
| | In ABS plastic (Acrylnitrile Butadiene Styrene), it is the Butadiene that absorbs
the smoke. There is an easy way to remove the smoke... but sadly over 99% of
AFOLs don't have access to it... a vacuum chamber... such as one found in university
laboratories.
When smoky LEGO is put into a vacuum chamber for 24 hours, the smoke absorbed
by the Butadiene is eliminated.
Sadly it's not a practical solution...
Cheers,
Gary Istok
P.S. I found this out a few years back doing research on the chapter on LEGO
plastics of my Unofficial LEGO Sets/Parts Collectors Guide.
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Very interesting, thankyou
but just to clarify, I wasnt talking about smokey lego, I was talking about smokey
hands contaminating lego.
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| | | | | Author: | AggieSava | | Posted: | Mar 14, 2011 18:55 | | Subject: | Re: Admin... Easy request to consider | | Viewed: | 58 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, junkpile writes:
| | Hello Admin,
I know your a busy guy and doing a good job around here. This is a simple request
which has been mentioned before in the forum but not the same idea.
Can we PLEASE put a yes or no radio button in STORE TERMS page that says if seller
has smokey bricks in their store.
I have extreme allergies and Asthma this is a medical need and I'm not the only
one here. Also the majority of people here don't like smoke smelling bricks
anyway.
reason 2. It's not fair to offer an item with smoke and not mention it as they
are worth less than the same item without smoke. Especially when it is very
strong as in this case. Limited buyers are willing to even Accept smokey items.
The seller I got this last batch from has NOTHING in splash page or Terms and
no comments prior in feedback so no way to know. For the smoke to be this strong
of a smell I have no doubt he's had problems in the past as I knew a seller who
did that who kept getting paypal reversals and requests to return here on bricklink
even though that person ALSO never had bad feedback but had trouble every couple
of orders and just worked it out. Not fair to his customers to have to go through
that.
Having a simple radio buttion "Yes I do sometimes offer smokey bricks" or
"NO, I never sell Smokey Bricks." Is a simple solution and one that will help
alot of people and alot of unpleasant orders. You will still see the money since
we will just buy from someone else here on Bricklink and be happy with the order.
Thank you for taking the time to consider,
Junkpile
Side Note for those who have had this problem.
This is my 2nd batch of smokey bricks within the past couple months. I've had
sellers on here tell me "NO I don't smoke or have smokey bricks" and give me
stuff that is chain smoker strong. At least this way we can know upfront and
as a community we can let it be known if they lie about it.
Side note for those who have suffered the same problem. I did have some minor
success with cleaning the Lego but it has expense and frustration to it.
1. Step one soak all the lego in Vinegar, soap and water for few hours at least.
Then scrub them. This by itself will not clean them
2. Let them air out in a garage or outside.
3. Put them in a plastic zip lock bags (I used a gallon bag) and spray lemon
scented cleaner all over the bricks and let it sit for 2 days.
4. Wash them again and let them air dry for a day or so.
The smoke smell was still there but it was extremely faint, the lemon smell is
over shadowing it and it didn't break out my skin now. To smell it now I have
to put the piece all the way to my nose... a few pieces did get completely clean
of the smoke. Various types of lego resins had slightly different results. (BEWARE
as this would damage stickers or items like that) The plastic did not lose any
integrity through process for me.
Hope that helps someone, alot of work and some expense.. but better than throwing
them in the garbage which IS WHAT I WOULD HAVE TO DO if I couldn't get them clean.
I wouldn't dare sell them to someone else in my store. Though I know smokers
can't smell it like we can as they are used to it.
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A better suggestion would be to have a radio button that says "This shop utilizes
a smoke-free facility". It would allow those who care to check it, and would
remove most of the expectations on Bricklink to enforce any such rules.
--Tony
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| | | | | | | Author: | junkpile | | Posted: | Mar 14, 2011 19:05 | | Subject: | Re: Admin... Easy request to consider | | Viewed: | 45 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| Great Idea Tony! Though I'd like to have the reverse an equally pleasant note
for the smokey brick side. Which should be required to check one or the other.
Worst thing is we make a change and like mentioned earlier nobody checks it and
were back to the same spot as many many many other threads in forum over years.
Last time a group of people who read the forum (most probably don't) did put
in their terms..No I didn't start that thread just read it and I updated my terms.
The other thread talked about pet dander also. But let's be honest I'm allergic
to that but it washes off super easy especially from plastic so Smoke is by far
a worse problem.
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| | | | | | | Author: | hga09 | | Posted: | Mar 15, 2011 17:01 | | Subject: | Re: Admin... Easy request to consider | | Viewed: | 30 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, AggieSava writes:
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A better suggestion would be to have a radio button that says "This shop utilizes
a smoke-free facility". It would allow those who care to check it, and would
remove most of the expectations on Bricklink to enforce any such rules.
--Tony
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This is a good idea. Many sellers appear to have notices like this anyway, but
having a formal qualifier would be much better especially if it can be used as
a parameter in searches, wanted lists, etc.
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| | | | | Author: | ToriHada | | Posted: | Mar 14, 2011 19:55 | | Subject: | Re: Admin... Easy request to consider | | Viewed: | 71 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| Let me start by saying I HATE the smell of cigarette smoke. Pipe smoke, certain
cigar smoke, and that trippy green stuff are not as bad.
However, I agree with Marc and Anders. A checkbox won't really fix this (1) and
feedback is really the best way to deal with this. A couple of non-positives
for smokey bricks should help to warn others and let the seller know he has a
problem.
Thor
(1) Tony's idea of a checkbox for NON-smoking might actually be more workable.
It takes more to actively misrepresent something than to passively fail to disclose
something.
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| | | | | Author: | Rolf | | Posted: | Mar 14, 2011 21:28 | | Subject: | Re: Admin... Easy request to consider | | Viewed: | 61 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| Smokey bricks is one of my worse nightmares because I can't smell. I would be
very sad indeed if someone sent me smokey bricks and someone smelled em.
With that, I still don't support this. People not willing to list smokey status
on comments still won't check the checkbox, radio button, any other method of
informing the buyer.
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| | | | | | | Author: | lmeyer | | Posted: | Mar 15, 2011 17:01 | | Subject: | Re: Admin... Easy request to consider | | Viewed: | 34 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, Rolf writes:
| | Smokey bricks is one of my worse nightmares because I can't smell. I would be
very sad indeed if someone sent me smokey bricks and someone smelled em.
With that, I still don't support this. People not willing to list smokey status
on comments still won't check the checkbox, radio button, any other method of
informing the buyer.
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It would give the buyer more footing to get a refund without as much trouble
because parts would not be what was described (if radio button not selected,
bricks are by default, set to "not smokey").
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| | | | | Author: | lmeyer | | Posted: | Mar 15, 2011 15:35 | | Subject: | Re: Admin... Easy request to consider | | Viewed: | 57 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, junkpile writes:
| | Hello Admin,
I know your a busy guy and doing a good job around here. This is a simple request
which has been mentioned before in the forum but not the same idea.
Can we PLEASE put a yes or no radio button in STORE TERMS page that says if seller
has smokey bricks in their store.
I have extreme allergies and Asthma this is a medical need and I'm not the only
one here. Also the majority of people here don't like smoke smelling bricks
anyway.
reason 2. It's not fair to offer an item with smoke and not mention it as they
are worth less than the same item without smoke. Especially when it is very
strong as in this case. Limited buyers are willing to even Accept smokey items.
The seller I got this last batch from has NOTHING in splash page or Terms and
no comments prior in feedback so no way to know. For the smoke to be this strong
of a smell I have no doubt he's had problems in the past as I knew a seller who
did that who kept getting paypal reversals and requests to return here on bricklink
even though that person ALSO never had bad feedback but had trouble every couple
of orders and just worked it out. Not fair to his customers to have to go through
that.
Having a simple radio buttion "Yes I do sometimes offer smokey bricks" or
"NO, I never sell Smokey Bricks." Is a simple solution and one that will help
alot of people and alot of unpleasant orders. You will still see the money since
we will just buy from someone else here on Bricklink and be happy with the order.
Thank you for taking the time to consider,
Junkpile
Side Note for those who have had this problem.
This is my 2nd batch of smokey bricks within the past couple months. I've had
sellers on here tell me "NO I don't smoke or have smokey bricks" and give me
stuff that is chain smoker strong. At least this way we can know upfront and
as a community we can let it be known if they lie about it.
Side note for those who have suffered the same problem. I did have some minor
success with cleaning the Lego but it has expense and frustration to it.
1. Step one soak all the lego in Vinegar, soap and water for few hours at least.
Then scrub them. This by itself will not clean them
2. Let them air out in a garage or outside.
3. Put them in a plastic zip lock bags (I used a gallon bag) and spray lemon
scented cleaner all over the bricks and let it sit for 2 days.
4. Wash them again and let them air dry for a day or so.
The smoke smell was still there but it was extremely faint, the lemon smell is
over shadowing it and it didn't break out my skin now. To smell it now I have
to put the piece all the way to my nose... a few pieces did get completely clean
of the smoke. Various types of lego resins had slightly different results. (BEWARE
as this would damage stickers or items like that) The plastic did not lose any
integrity through process for me.
Hope that helps someone, alot of work and some expense.. but better than throwing
them in the garbage which IS WHAT I WOULD HAVE TO DO if I couldn't get them clean.
I wouldn't dare sell them to someone else in my store. Though I know smokers
can't smell it like we can as they are used to it.
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This is probably the most potentially serious, lingering and offensive problem
most commonly encountered by buyers here. I have had this happen more than once
from different sellers, and I would have known beforehand I was going to be getting
new, smoke-smelling bricks, I would have not even placed an order in the first
place.
It isn't unreasonable. It gives buyers a heads-up before placing an order.
Prevents having to cancel an order or get into arguments/negotiations with seller
after smokey bricks are sent. Just prevent a bad situation before it develops.
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