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| | | Author: | TorontoLego  | | Posted: | Oct 13, 2010 11:12 | | Subject: | Sellers Opt in to Banned Buyers | | Viewed: | 363 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | | Status: | Open | | Vote: | [Yes|No] | |
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| Let's make this simpler ---
I want the OPTION to SELL to BUYERS who are Banned.
Make it a store selling option, and a new list -- the START-LIST
[ ] Seller agrees to take orders from buyers on my START-LIST
When a Buyer gets their 3rd NPB - the system should tell the member that their
buying privileges have been revoked from all stores EXCEPT those that have that
flag turned on and have added them to their Start-List.
That way Sellers get to decide on individual cases as they see fit. And if they
don't want to bother, they don't have to.
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| | | | | Author: | FigBits | | Posted: | Oct 13, 2010 11:24 | | Subject: | Re: Sellers Opt in to Banned Buyers | | Viewed: | 53 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, TorontoLego writes:
| | Let's make this simpler ---
I want the OPTION to SELL to BUYERS who are Banned.
Make it a store selling option, and a new list -- the START-LIST
[ ] Seller agrees to take orders from buyers on my START-LIST
When a Buyer gets their 3rd NPB - the system should tell the member that their
buying privileges have been revoked from all stores EXCEPT those that have that
flag turned on and have added them to their Start-List.
That way Sellers get to decide on individual cases as they see fit. And if they
don't want to bother, they don't have to.
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I like it, but I wonder how it would work. I'm assuming that sellers would choose
individual buyers to allow, as opposed to a global option that lets all banned
buyers in to their store. Such buyers would need to plead their case individually
through messaging? (Or here in the forum?)
That could get a bit annoying for both buyers and sellers. The banned buyer has
to beg each individual store they want to deal with, explaining their situation
over and over again. (Admittedly, better than simply being banned.) And large
sellers would potentially get a whole bunch of messages from banned buyers stating
"Please let me buy here!" all the time.
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Marc.
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| | | | | | | Author: | TorontoLego | | Posted: | Oct 13, 2010 11:26 | | Subject: | Re: Sellers Opt in to Banned Buyers | | Viewed: | 48 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, fleury writes:
| | In Suggestions, TorontoLego writes:
| | Let's make this simpler ---
I want the OPTION to SELL to BUYERS who are Banned.
Make it a store selling option, and a new list -- the START-LIST
[ ] Seller agrees to take orders from buyers on my START-LIST
When a Buyer gets their 3rd NPB - the system should tell the member that their
buying privileges have been revoked from all stores EXCEPT those that have that
flag turned on and have added them to their Start-List.
That way Sellers get to decide on individual cases as they see fit. And if they
don't want to bother, they don't have to.
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I like it, but I wonder how it would work. I'm assuming that sellers would choose
individual buyers to allow, as opposed to a global option that lets all banned
buyers in to their store. Such buyers would need to plead their case individually
through messaging? (Or here in the forum?)
That could get a bit annoying for both buyers and sellers. The banned buyer has
to beg each individual store they want to deal with, explaining their situation
over and over again. (Admittedly, better than simply being banned.) And large
sellers would potentially get a whole bunch of messages from banned buyers stating
"Please let me buy here!" all the time.
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Add an option for contact:
[ ] allow buyers with revoked privileges to contact me
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| | | | | Author: | BricksThatStick | | Posted: | Oct 13, 2010 11:27 | | Subject: | Re: Sellers Opt in to Banned Buyers | | Viewed: | 46 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, TorontoLego writes:
| | Let's make this simpler ---
I want the OPTION to SELL to BUYERS who are Banned.
Make it a store selling option, and a new list -- the START-LIST
[ ] Seller agrees to take orders from buyers on my START-LIST
When a Buyer gets their 3rd NPB - the system should tell the member that their
buying privileges have been revoked from all stores EXCEPT those that have that
flag turned on and have added them to their Start-List.
That way Sellers get to decide on individual cases as they see fit. And if they
don't want to bother, they don't have to.
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So it would be ok to just not pay for orders a few times and get banned because
people will sell to you anyway?
Definitely no!
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| | | | | | | Author: | fredjh | | Posted: | Oct 13, 2010 11:43 | | Subject: | Re: Sellers Opt in to Banned Buyers | | Viewed: | 52 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, BricksThatStick writes:
| | So it would be ok to just not pay for orders a few times and get banned because
people will sell to you anyway?
Definitely no!
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Is that what you've taken from the discussion? Because that's not the suggestion
at all.
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | BricksThatStick | | Posted: | Oct 13, 2010 12:38 | | Subject: | Re: Sellers Opt in to Banned Buyers | | Viewed: | 41 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, fredjh writes:
| | In Suggestions, BricksThatStick writes:
| | So it would be ok to just not pay for orders a few times and get banned because
people will sell to you anyway?
Definitely no!
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Is that what you've taken from the discussion?
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The 'its broken' discussion? It seems a lot of pointless discussion over such
a simple matter.
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What is the suggestion then? The suggester stated that 'I want the OPTION to
SELL to BUYERS who are Banned'
So that's like saying to buyers its OK not to pay and get banned because there'll
still be sellers who'll want to sell to you.
So definitely no!
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| | | | | | | | | | | Author: | fredjh | | Posted: | Oct 13, 2010 12:47 | | Subject: | Re: Sellers Opt in to Banned Buyers | | Viewed: | 41 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, BricksThatStick writes:
| | In Suggestions, fredjh writes:
| | In Suggestions, BricksThatStick writes:
| | So it would be ok to just not pay for orders a few times and get banned because
people will sell to you anyway?
Definitely no!
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Is that what you've taken from the discussion?
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The 'its broken' discussion? It seems a lot of pointless discussion over such
a simple matter.
| | Because that's not the suggestion at all.
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What is the suggestion then? The suggester stated that 'I want the OPTION to
SELL to BUYERS who are Banned'
So that's like saying to buyers its OK not to pay and get banned because there'll
still be sellers who'll want to sell to you.
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No, it's not... that's a decidedly narrow view. All it's saying is that a seller
might want to examine the circumstances surrounding the incidents and decide
for himself, EXACTLY like the "it's broken" discussion; it could mean any number
of things.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | Rob_and_Shelagh | | Posted: | Oct 13, 2010 12:56 | | Subject: | Re: Sellers Opt in to Banned Buyers | | Viewed: | 34 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, fredjh writes:
| | In Suggestions, BricksThatStick writes:
| | In Suggestions, fredjh writes:
| | In Suggestions, BricksThatStick writes:
| | So it would be ok to just not pay for orders a few times and get banned because
people will sell to you anyway?
Definitely no!
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Is that what you've taken from the discussion?
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The 'its broken' discussion? It seems a lot of pointless discussion over such
a simple matter.
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What is the suggestion then? The suggester stated that 'I want the OPTION to
SELL to BUYERS who are Banned'
So that's like saying to buyers its OK not to pay and get banned because there'll
still be sellers who'll want to sell to you.
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No, it's not... that's a decidedly narrow view. All it's saying is that a seller
might want to examine the circumstances surrounding the incidents and decide
for himself, EXACTLY like the "it's broken" discussion; it could mean any number
of things.
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After 3 NPBs I would say that Admin ONLY should decide (there have been exceptions
before that have been handled in this way). With respect, there are some sellers
here who I don't think whould make an informed decision on this (and would not
have the facts that Admin would) 
One mistake OK, 2 you should have figured, 3 - if there is a valid reason why
then let Admin look at the facts, not let a seller make a judgement based on
non-facts or assumptions. Let's maintain some incentive to keep things clean
here please.
Robert
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | fredjh | | Posted: | Oct 13, 2010 13:11 | | Subject: | Re: Sellers Opt in to Banned Buyers | | Viewed: | 27 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, Rob_and_Shelagh writes:
| | ... With respect, there are some sellers
here who I don't think whould make an informed decision on this (and would not
have the facts that Admin would)
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Also, with all due respect, if a seller wants to take that chance, that should
be their prerogative.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | mnementh | | Posted: | Oct 13, 2010 14:08 | | Subject: | Re: Sellers Opt in to Banned Buyers | | Viewed: | 59 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, fredjh writes:
| | In Suggestions, Rob_and_Shelagh writes:
| | ... With respect, there are some sellers
here who I don't think whould make an informed decision on this (and would not
have the facts that Admin would)
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Also, with all due respect, if a seller wants to take that chance, that should
be their prerogative.
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And then when the deal goes bad, it wastes Admin's time dealing with the 4th
NPB, the 5th NPB, etc.
Then there will be the inevitable forum post where we are supposed to feel sorry
for the poor seller who got taken by a known NPB.
Troy
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | fredjh | | Posted: | Oct 13, 2010 14:32 | | Subject: | Re: Sellers Opt in to Banned Buyers | | Viewed: | 42 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, mnementh writes:
| | In Suggestions, fredjh writes:
| | In Suggestions, Rob_and_Shelagh writes:
| | ... With respect, there are some sellers
here who I don't think whould make an informed decision on this (and would not
have the facts that Admin would)
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Also, with all due respect, if a seller wants to take that chance, that should
be their prerogative.
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And then when the deal goes bad, it wastes Admin's time dealing with the 4th
NPB, the 5th NPB, etc.
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Well, it should be a take-your-chance option with no recourse, then... you need
to understand that, while I think sellers should have the choice, it's not like
it's one I would choose (if I were a seller).
So what you have now, though, is buyers created new accounts and getting just
as many NPBs as they would have anyway. It doesn't seem like it would make anything
substantially worse... more over, all the suggestion is saying is to allow sellers
to make their own decision... you really think when a buyer is obviously that
bad that people will want to sell to him? This isn't a complete pass for those
bad buyers.
| | Then there will be the inevitable forum post where we are supposed to feel sorry
for the poor seller who got taken by a known NPB.
Troy
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So? Then they get ripped a new one, like all the other whines from people who
should have known better.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | FigBits | | Posted: | Oct 13, 2010 15:18 | | Subject: | Re: Sellers Opt in to Banned Buyers | | Viewed: | 30 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, mnementh writes:
| | In Suggestions, fredjh writes:
| | In Suggestions, Rob_and_Shelagh writes:
| | ... With respect, there are some sellers
here who I don't think whould make an informed decision on this (and would not
have the facts that Admin would)
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Also, with all due respect, if a seller wants to take that chance, that should
be their prerogative.
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And then when the deal goes bad, it wastes Admin's time dealing with the 4th
NPB, the 5th NPB, etc.
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There are solutions to everything.
Admin could make seller's fees non-refundable, even if the order is cancelled
through NPB, when dealing with soft-banned buyers.
Or, it could just be left to the gray market. Right now, is there anything stopping
banned buyers from contacting stores and asking if they would sell to them outside
of BL?
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Marc.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | junkpile | | Posted: | Oct 13, 2010 16:11 | | Subject: | Re: Sellers Opt in to Banned Buyers | | Viewed: | 34 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, fredjh writes:
| | In Suggestions, Rob_and_Shelagh writes:
| | ... With respect, there are some sellers
here who I don't think whould make an informed decision on this (and would not
have the facts that Admin would)
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Also, with all due respect, if a seller wants to take that chance, that should
be their prerogative.
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I agree it is their perogative ONLY when it affects only thier store. In this
case it affects Bricklink which is a community. Therefore it involves more than
just themselves. They are free to do business with banned buyers outside Bricklink
nobody is stopping you or anyone from doing so.
In fact I have many friends who were banned due to age (not NPB's) but were fun
to talk to and great builders that e-mail me from time to time showing me their
creations or needing help. Sometimes I trade with them or send them stuff OFF
Bricklink as they are my friends.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | TorontoLego | | Posted: | Oct 13, 2010 16:14 | | Subject: | Re: Sellers Opt in to Banned Buyers | | Viewed: | 27 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, junkpile writes:
| | In Suggestions, fredjh writes:
| | In Suggestions, Rob_and_Shelagh writes:
| | ... With respect, there are some sellers
here who I don't think whould make an informed decision on this (and would not
have the facts that Admin would)
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Also, with all due respect, if a seller wants to take that chance, that should
be their prerogative.
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I agree it is their prerogative ONLY when it affects only their store. In this
case it affects Bricklink which is a community. Therefore it involves more than
just themselves. They are free to do business with banned buyers outside Bricklink
nobody is stopping you or anyone from doing so.
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So let me get this straight. You think it is ok if a banned buyer contacts a
store, negotiates to buy from them, gets permission from the seller, and completes
the transaction off BL? Isn't that Fee Avoidance 101?
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In fact I have many friends who were banned due to age (not NPB's) but were fun
to talk to and great builders that e-mail me from time to time showing me their
creations or needing help. Sometimes I trade with them or send them stuff OFF
Bricklink as they are my friends.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | legomadsteve | | Posted: | Nov 23, 2010 16:32 | | Subject: | Re: Sellers Opt in to Banned Buyers | | Viewed: | 34 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, TorontoLego writes:
| | In Suggestions, junkpile writes:
| | I agree it is their prerogative ONLY when it affects only their store. In this
case it affects Bricklink which is a community. Therefore it involves more than
just themselves. They are free to do business with banned buyers outside Bricklink
nobody is stopping you or anyone from doing so.
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So let me get this straight. You think it is ok if a banned buyer contacts a
store, negotiates to buy from them, gets permission from the seller, and completes
the transaction off BL? Isn't that Fee Avoidance 101?
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How can it be Fee Avoidance if they're not allowed to pay fees in the first place?
I'm just saying.
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| | | | | Author: | mhn1957 | | Posted: | Oct 13, 2010 11:34 | | Subject: | Re: Sellers Opt in to Banned Buyers | | Viewed: | 35 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, TorontoLego writes:
| | Let's make this simpler ---
I want the OPTION to SELL to BUYERS who are Banned.
Make it a store selling option, and a new list -- the START-LIST
[ ] Seller agrees to take orders from buyers on my START-LIST
When a Buyer gets their 3rd NPB - the system should tell the member that their
buying privileges have been revoked from all stores EXCEPT those that have that
flag turned on and have added them to their Start-List.
That way Sellers get to decide on individual cases as they see fit. And if they
don't want to bother, they don't have to.
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Meh.
Going the other direction, I would like it if you could say, "I won't sell (temporarily,
until it is resolved) to someone with 1 pending or completed NPB, with 2 NPBs",
etc, or "I won't buy from a seller with 1 pending NSS", (2, 3, or whatever).
As the seller I wouldn't even know that someone was refused service in my store
because that theoretical flag. As a buyer, it would be an early warning system,
but only triggered when an order was about to be placed, and there would be an
override, (buy anyway).
Mark (MHN1957)
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| | | | | Author: | AndersPaludan | | Posted: | Oct 13, 2010 11:41 | | Subject: | Re: Sellers Opt in to Banned Buyers | | Viewed: | 27 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| If implemented, please make the list of sellers public.
I wouldn't want to deal with a seller who wants to deal
with NPB's.
Anders 
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| | | | | | | Author: | TorontoLego | | Posted: | Oct 13, 2010 11:53 | | Subject: | Re: Sellers Opt in to Banned Buyers | | Viewed: | 29 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, AndersPaludan writes:
| | If implemented, please make the list of sellers public.
I wouldn't want to deal with a seller who wants to deal
with NPB's.
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Why?
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | AndersPaludan | | Posted: | Oct 13, 2010 12:46 | | Subject: | (Cancelled) | | Viewed: | 27 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | AndersPaludan | | Posted: | Oct 13, 2010 12:48 | | Subject: | Re: Sellers Opt in to Banned Buyers | | Viewed: | 28 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, TorontoLego writes:
| | In Suggestions, AndersPaludan writes:
| | If implemented, please make the list of sellers public.
I wouldn't want to deal with a seller who wants to deal
with NPB's.
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Why?
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Tell me who you mix with, and I'll tell you
who you are.
Anders
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| | | | | | | | | | | Author: | fredjh | | Posted: | Oct 13, 2010 12:54 | | Subject: | Re: Sellers Opt in to Banned Buyers | | Viewed: | 24 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, AndersPaludan writes:
| | In Suggestions, TorontoLego writes:
| | In Suggestions, AndersPaludan writes:
| | If implemented, please make the list of sellers public.
I wouldn't want to deal with a seller who wants to deal
with NPB's.
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Why?
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Tell me who you mix with, and I'll tell you
who you are.
Anders
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Well... let's see the type the sellers might "mix" with...
On the one hand it could be as you're implying... that someone doesn't mind dealing
with "thieves" as long as they know they'll get paid.
Or, on the other hand, it might be sellers who are not so narrow minded to think
that there couldn't possibly be extenuating circumstances, and would want to
judge a buyer on a case by case basis.
Thinking about the thread that started all these suggestions, it seems pretty
unfair for someone to have their buying privileges revoked when two of the three
problems were from years ago, with hundreds of satisfactory transactions in between.
Admin may disagree... you may disagree... perhaps a seller should be given the
leeway to make up his own mind.
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| | | | | Author: | Lonely_Brick_OH | | Posted: | Oct 13, 2010 11:48 | | Subject: | (Cancelled) | | Viewed: | 34 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| | | | | Author: | mnementh | | Posted: | Oct 13, 2010 12:02 | | Subject: | Re: Sellers Opt in to Banned Buyers | | Viewed: | 56 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, TorontoLego writes:
| | Let's make this simpler ---
I want the OPTION to SELL to BUYERS who are Banned.
Make it a store selling option, and a new list -- the START-LIST
[ ] Seller agrees to take orders from buyers on my START-LIST
When a Buyer gets their 3rd NPB - the system should tell the member that their
buying privileges have been revoked from all stores EXCEPT those that have that
flag turned on and have added them to their Start-List.
That way Sellers get to decide on individual cases as they see fit. And if they
don't want to bother, they don't have to.
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Ummm....no.
Troy
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| | | | | | | Author: | TorontoLego | | Posted: | Oct 13, 2010 12:23 | | Subject: | Re: Sellers Opt in to Banned Buyers | | Viewed: | 36 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, mnementh writes:
| | In Suggestions, TorontoLego writes:
| | Let's make this simpler ---
I want the OPTION to SELL to BUYERS who are Banned.
Make it a store selling option, and a new list -- the START-LIST
[ ] Seller agrees to take orders from buyers on my START-LIST
When a Buyer gets their 3rd NPB - the system should tell the member that their
buying privileges have been revoked from all stores EXCEPT those that have that
flag turned on and have added them to their Start-List.
That way Sellers get to decide on individual cases as they see fit. And if they
don't want to bother, they don't have to.
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Ummm....no.
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Thanks for your well thought out and useful response. I know you are busy..
but..
Ummm.... why not?
These customers already can't buy from you... if you still don't want to sell
to them. FINE!
If you give options, maybe we won't have so many people creating multiple accounts
to get around the NPB ban!
I want to be able to take my time, digest information, analyze a situation and
decide for myself. If you don't want to take the time to do it -- fine.
I don't think the programming would be difficult -- all the switches seem to
be in place for a stoplist, this would not be so different.
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | mnementh | | Posted: | Oct 13, 2010 12:34 | | Subject: | Re: Sellers Opt in to Banned Buyers | | Viewed: | 56 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, TorontoLego writes:
| | In Suggestions, mnementh writes:
| | In Suggestions, TorontoLego writes:
| | Let's make this simpler ---
I want the OPTION to SELL to BUYERS who are Banned.
Make it a store selling option, and a new list -- the START-LIST
[ ] Seller agrees to take orders from buyers on my START-LIST
When a Buyer gets their 3rd NPB - the system should tell the member that their
buying privileges have been revoked from all stores EXCEPT those that have that
flag turned on and have added them to their Start-List.
That way Sellers get to decide on individual cases as they see fit. And if they
don't want to bother, they don't have to.
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Ummm....no.
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Thanks for your well thought out and useful response. I know you are busy..
but..
Ummm.... why not?
These customers already can't buy from you... if you still don't want to sell
to them. FINE!
If you give options, maybe we won't have so many people creating multiple accounts
to get around the NPB ban!
I want to be able to take my time, digest information, analyze a situation and
decide for myself. If you don't want to take the time to do it -- fine.
I don't think the programming would be difficult -- all the switches seem to
be in place for a stoplist, this would not be so different.
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Because it devalues the NPB process. Buyers are "encouraged" to work out the
NPB BECAUSE they will lose their ability to buy if they don't. If you take away
that incentive by making it "will not be able to buy from a percentage of sellers"
then that makes it more difficult for ALL sellers to successfully settle NPBs.
Regardless of wether the seller has opted in to the program or not.
Also, the last thing I want or need is NPBs bugging me to let them shop in my
store. Larger stores are going to bear the greater burden of this simply because
they have more items to sell and are thus more attractive to prospective buyers.
Troy
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| | | | | | | | | | | Author: | TorontoLego | | Posted: | Oct 13, 2010 12:43 | | Subject: | Re: Sellers Opt in to Banned Buyers | | Viewed: | 38 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, mnementh writes:
| | In Suggestions, TorontoLego writes:
| | In Suggestions, mnementh writes:
| | In Suggestions, TorontoLego writes:
| | Let's make this simpler ---
I want the OPTION to SELL to BUYERS who are Banned.
Make it a store selling option, and a new list -- the START-LIST
[ ] Seller agrees to take orders from buyers on my START-LIST
When a Buyer gets their 3rd NPB - the system should tell the member that their
buying privileges have been revoked from all stores EXCEPT those that have that
flag turned on and have added them to their Start-List.
That way Sellers get to decide on individual cases as they see fit. And if they
don't want to bother, they don't have to.
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Ummm....no.
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Thanks for your well thought out and useful response. I know you are busy..
but..
Ummm.... why not?
These customers already can't buy from you... if you still don't want to sell
to them. FINE!
If you give options, maybe we won't have so many people creating multiple accounts
to get around the NPB ban!
I want to be able to take my time, digest information, analyze a situation and
decide for myself. If you don't want to take the time to do it -- fine.
I don't think the programming would be difficult -- all the switches seem to
be in place for a stoplist, this would not be so different.
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Because it devalues the NPB process. Buyers are "encouraged" to work out the
NPB BECAUSE they will lose their ability to buy if they don't. If you take away
that incentive by making it "will not be able to buy from a percentage of sellers"
then that makes it more difficult for ALL sellers to successfully settle NPBs.
Regardless of wether the seller has opted in to the program or not.
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I don't buy this argument -- the punishment is still going to severe - I would
guess that ALL the big sellers would enforce the bad -- that would severely hamper
a buyer's options.
I'm sure you all have stores in your area that specialize in selling to less
desirable customers. -- They fill a need in the market -- Laissez Faire.
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Also, the last thing I want or need is NPBs bugging me to let them shop in my
store. Larger stores are going to bear the greater burden of this simply because
they have more items to sell and are thus more attractive to prospective buyers.
Troy
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I already answered that concern
http://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=482256
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | mnementh | | Posted: | Oct 13, 2010 12:55 | | Subject: | Re: Sellers Opt in to Banned Buyers | | Viewed: | 43 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, TorontoLego writes:
| | | | Because it devalues the NPB process. Buyers are "encouraged" to work out the
NPB BECAUSE they will lose their ability to buy if they don't. If you take away
that incentive by making it "will not be able to buy from a percentage of sellers"
then that makes it more difficult for ALL sellers to successfully settle NPBs.
Regardless of wether the seller has opted in to the program or not.
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I don't buy this argument -- the punishment is still going to severe - I would
guess that ALL the big sellers would enforce the bad -- that would severely hamper
a buyer's options.
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You asked for my reason, there it is. It doesn't matter to me if you buy it
or not.
How does that stop them from asking through other means? It seems to only indicate
that you are willing to receive such messages, not prevent them.
Troy
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| | | | | Author: | Speciale | | Posted: | Oct 13, 2010 12:15 | | Subject: | Re: Sellers Opt in to Banned Buyers | | Viewed: | 65 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, TorontoLego writes:
| | Let's make this simpler ---
I want the OPTION to SELL to BUYERS who are Banned.
Make it a store selling option, and a new list -- the START-LIST
[ ] Seller agrees to take orders from buyers on my START-LIST
When a Buyer gets their 3rd NPB - the system should tell the member that their
buying privileges have been revoked from all stores EXCEPT those that have that
flag turned on and have added them to their Start-List.
That way Sellers get to decide on individual cases as they see fit. And if they
don't want to bother, they don't have to.
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do not forget the seller who recive 3 NSS that he still can sell ?
today i recive a order from a 0 feedback buyer after i send invois , i recive
an email 2 min after i send invois " Total price (includes shiipping fee to
KOREA) is too expensive to me now 
I'm verry sorry about that."
he can ask shipping cost in advance ?order whas only one set
regards r
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| | | | | | | Author: | TorontoLego | | Posted: | Oct 13, 2010 12:25 | | Subject: | Re: Sellers Opt in to Banned Buyers | | Viewed: | 42 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| No, I don't think the same theory should apply to sellers.
In Suggestions, brasletty writes:
| | In Suggestions, TorontoLego writes:
| | Let's make this simpler ---
I want the OPTION to SELL to BUYERS who are Banned.
Make it a store selling option, and a new list -- the START-LIST
[ ] Seller agrees to take orders from buyers on my START-LIST
When a Buyer gets their 3rd NPB - the system should tell the member that their
buying privileges have been revoked from all stores EXCEPT those that have that
flag turned on and have added them to their Start-List.
That way Sellers get to decide on individual cases as they see fit. And if they
don't want to bother, they don't have to.
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do not forget the seller who recive 3 NSS that he still can sell ?
today i recive a order from a 0 feedback buyer after i send invois , i recive
an email 2 min after i send invois " Total price (includes shiipping fee to
KOREA) is too expensive to me now
I'm verry sorry about that."
he can ask shipping cost in advance ?order whas only one set
regards r
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | Speciale | | Posted: | Oct 13, 2010 12:30 | | Subject: | Re: Sellers Opt in to Banned Buyers | | Viewed: | 32 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, TorontoLego writes:
| | No, I don't think the same theory should apply to sellers.
In Suggestions, brasletty writes:
| | In Suggestions, TorontoLego writes:
| | Let's make this simpler ---
I want the OPTION to SELL to BUYERS who are Banned.
Make it a store selling option, and a new list -- the START-LIST
[ ] Seller agrees to take orders from buyers on my START-LIST
When a Buyer gets their 3rd NPB - the system should tell the member that their
buying privileges have been revoked from all stores EXCEPT those that have that
flag turned on and have added them to their Start-List.
That way Sellers get to decide on individual cases as they see fit. And if they
don't want to bother, they don't have to.
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do not forget the seller who recive 3 NSS that he still can sell ?
today i recive a order from a 0 feedback buyer after i send invois , i recive
an email 2 min after i send invois " Total price (includes shiipping fee to
KOREA) is too expensive to me now
I'm verry sorry about that."
he can ask shipping cost in advance ?order whas only one set
regards r
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why you dont like that we are all equal sellers and buyers ?
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| | | | | | | | | | | Author: | TorontoLego | | Posted: | Oct 13, 2010 12:37 | | Subject: | Re: Sellers Opt in to Banned Buyers | | Viewed: | 32 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| Rohnny,
I understand what you are saying - but they are not equal.
Buyers who make mistakes annoy the sellers that they had the experience with
-- the rest of the sellers are warned by feedback and should be given the opportunity
to decide for themselves if they want to expose themselves to the same thing.
Sellers who don't send product after being paid for it -- well that's totally
different - and those buyers that got burned will be unlikely to buy again on
BrickLink from any seller -- and in fact will probably dissuade others from buying
as well. That's bad for All Sellers. The last thing we want is a site filled
with bad sellers.
Just like last year when the fixed exchange rates were stopped -- bad seller
practices are detrimental to everyone and the site at large.
Thanks for your comments,
Mike.
In Suggestions, brasletty writes:
| | In Suggestions, TorontoLego writes:
| | No, I don't think the same theory should apply to sellers.
In Suggestions, brasletty writes:
| | In Suggestions, TorontoLego writes:
| | Let's make this simpler ---
I want the OPTION to SELL to BUYERS who are Banned.
Make it a store selling option, and a new list -- the START-LIST
[ ] Seller agrees to take orders from buyers on my START-LIST
When a Buyer gets their 3rd NPB - the system should tell the member that their
buying privileges have been revoked from all stores EXCEPT those that have that
flag turned on and have added them to their Start-List.
That way Sellers get to decide on individual cases as they see fit. And if they
don't want to bother, they don't have to.
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do not forget the seller who recive 3 NSS that he still can sell ?
today i recive a order from a 0 feedback buyer after i send invois , i recive
an email 2 min after i send invois " Total price (includes shiipping fee to
KOREA) is too expensive to me now
I'm verry sorry about that."
he can ask shipping cost in advance ?order whas only one set
regards r
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why you dont like that we are all equal sellers and buyers ?
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | Speciale | | Posted: | Oct 13, 2010 12:51 | | Subject: | Re: Sellers Opt in to Banned Buyers | | Viewed: | 38 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| sorry i vote No , whay i dont like it , everybody need to be equal ? so if you
still can banned a seller and not a buyer ? what i like more is that i can refuse
selling to buyers who recive an NPB no need for a complete on ?
regards rohnny
In Suggestions, TorontoLego writes:
| | Rohnny,
I understand what you are saying - but they are not equal.
Buyers who make mistakes annoy the sellers that they had the experience with
-- the rest of the sellers are warned by feedback and should be given the opportunity
to decide for themselves if they want to expose themselves to the same thing.
Sellers who don't send product after being paid for it -- well that's totally
different - and those buyers that got burned will be unlikely to buy again on
BrickLink from any seller -- and in fact will probably dissuade others from buying
as well. That's bad for All Sellers. The last thing we want is a site filled
with bad sellers.
Just like last year when the fixed exchange rates were stopped -- bad seller
practices are detrimental to everyone and the site at large.
Thanks for your comments,
Mike.
In Suggestions, brasletty writes:
| | In Suggestions, TorontoLego writes:
| | No, I don't think the same theory should apply to sellers.
In Suggestions, brasletty writes:
| | In Suggestions, TorontoLego writes:
| | Let's make this simpler ---
I want the OPTION to SELL to BUYERS who are Banned.
Make it a store selling option, and a new list -- the START-LIST
[ ] Seller agrees to take orders from buyers on my START-LIST
When a Buyer gets their 3rd NPB - the system should tell the member that their
buying privileges have been revoked from all stores EXCEPT those that have that
flag turned on and have added them to their Start-List.
That way Sellers get to decide on individual cases as they see fit. And if they
don't want to bother, they don't have to.
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do not forget the seller who recive 3 NSS that he still can sell ?
today i recive a order from a 0 feedback buyer after i send invois , i recive
an email 2 min after i send invois " Total price (includes shiipping fee to
KOREA) is too expensive to me now
I'm verry sorry about that."
he can ask shipping cost in advance ?order whas only one set
regards r
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why you dont like that we are all equal sellers and buyers ?
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | fredjh | | Posted: | Oct 13, 2010 13:03 | | Subject: | Re: Sellers Opt in to Banned Buyers | | Viewed: | 35 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, brasletty writes:
| | sorry i vote No , whay i dont like it , everybody need to be equal ? so if you
still can banned a seller and not a buyer ? what i like more is that i can refuse
selling to buyers who recive an NPB no need for a complete on ?
regards rohnny
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While I disagree with your no vote, I do also think you should have more leeway
as a seller.
I think NPB/NSS, etc., should be like points on a drivers license... they drop
off over time without incidents. Infractions are still on your record, but they
don't count towards punishments after dropping off.
But I would agree with you that a seller should be able to opt not to sell to
a buyer who has ANY NPBs if they don't want to ("seller refuses buyers with NPBs").
I wouldn't have a problem with that.
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| In Suggestions, fredjh writes:
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While I disagree with your no vote, I do also think you should have more leeway
as a seller.
I think NPB/NSS, etc., should be like points on a drivers license... they drop
off over time without incidents. Infractions are still on your record, but they
don't count towards punishments after dropping off.
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That makes an interesting twist to the ideas elsewhere in the thread... NPB drops
from record after 3 years... but only if you havent had any more NPB's since...
| | But I would agree with you that a seller should be able to opt not to sell to
a buyer who has ANY NPBs if they don't want to ("seller refuses buyers with NPBs").
I wouldn't have a problem with that.
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Oh I agree completely, the more sellers can automatically block otherwise perfectly
good buyers, the more of these perfectly good buyers will find my little store
 (I had one afew months ago, spent alot of cash and paid up in full without
problem despite having -2 feedback both stating NPB completed )
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | fredjh | | Posted: | Oct 13, 2010 13:14 | | Subject: | Re: Sellers Opt in to Banned Buyers | | Viewed: | 30 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, bagelboybugle writes:
| | In Suggestions, fredjh writes:
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| | | | But I would agree with you that a seller should be able to opt not to sell to
a buyer who has ANY NPBs if they don't want to ("seller refuses buyers with NPBs").
I wouldn't have a problem with that.
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| | Oh I agree completely, the more sellers can automatically block otherwise perfectly
good buyers, the more of these perfectly good buyers will find my little store
(I had one afew months ago, spent alot of cash and paid up in full without
problem despite having -2 feedback both stating NPB completed )
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That's right. I was thinking that when I wrote this...
I could see 90% of the stores jumping on the chance to ban people for a single
NPB without even examining why they got it...
And I can see the rest of the stores charging twice as much.
But that's capitalism, and I'm all for it.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | fredjh | | Posted: | Oct 13, 2010 13:17 | | Subject: | Re: Sellers Opt in to Banned Buyers | | Viewed: | 36 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| To add to this, while we're discussing suggestions that aren't likely to get
implemented anyway, there should be the option of a pay scale for risky buyers.
We have soda pop machines that charge based on outside temperature, for example...
the hotter it is, the more the beverage charges. As a buyer, I think this sucks!
But as a capitalist, I grudgingly accept it.
So a store should be able to charge more to buyers with NPBs on their records.
Like... x% for each NPB up to y NPBs, at which point the seller refuses service.
Example: 10% higher for each NPB up to 3, at which point I refuse service.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | maxx3001 | | Posted: | Oct 13, 2010 13:28 | | Subject: | Re: Sellers Opt in to Banned Buyers | | Viewed: | 22 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, fredjh writes:
| | To add to this, while we're discussing suggestions that aren't likely to get
implemented anyway, there should be the option of a pay scale for risky buyers.
We have soda pop machines that charge based on outside temperature, for example...
the hotter it is, the more the beverage charges. As a buyer, I think this sucks!
But as a capitalist, I grudgingly accept it.
So a store should be able to charge more to buyers with NPBs on their records.
Like... x% for each NPB up to y NPBs, at which point the seller refuses service.
Example: 10% higher for each NPB up to 3, at which point I refuse service.
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What makes you think a NPBuyer would pay more if he doesn't pay at all?
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | fredjh | | Posted: | Oct 13, 2010 13:31 | | Subject: | Re: Sellers Opt in to Banned Buyers | | Viewed: | 25 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, maxx361 writes:
| | In Suggestions, fredjh writes:
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| | | | So a store should be able to charge more to buyers with NPBs on their records.
Like... x% for each NPB up to y NPBs, at which point the seller refuses service.
Example: 10% higher for each NPB up to 3, at which point I refuse service.
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What makes you think a NPBuyer would pay more if he doesn't pay at all?
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Nothing, that's up to the store owner to decide.
I also think the seller ought to be able to refuse certain payment types for
people with NPBs just for that reason... like only shipping when an MO or check
has cleared (although I wouldn't take checks, either).
Keep in mind, sellers don't even have this option now, do they? I could have
two NPBs and still place an order... is that not correct?
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | junkpile | | Posted: | Oct 13, 2010 13:38 | | Subject: | Re: Sellers Opt in to Banned Buyers | | Viewed: | 49 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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What makes you think a NPBuyer would pay more if he doesn't pay at all?
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I totally agree!!!
And I had a funny thought. What would all the yes people do when if this were
enacted and they started getting bunch of NPB's which they couldn't file on...since
they are already banned buyers 
Maybe you could just give them a big unhappy face...that will scare em or
make them feel bad enough to stop it. Or they could just go do it to another
GREEDY seller on the I take Banned people list.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | fredjh | | Posted: | Oct 13, 2010 13:59 | | Subject: | (Cancelled) | | Viewed: | 21 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | fredjh | | Posted: | Oct 13, 2010 14:01 | | Subject: | Re: Sellers Opt in to Banned Buyers | | Viewed: | 30 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, junkpile writes:
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What makes you think a NPBuyer would pay more if he doesn't pay at all?
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I totally agree!!!
And I had a funny thought. What would all the yes people do when if this were
enacted and they started getting bunch of NPB's which they couldn't file on...since
they are already banned buyers
Maybe you could just give them a big unhappy face...that will scare em or
make them feel bad enough to stop it. Or they could just go do it to another
GREEDY seller on the I take Banned people list.
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If those "greedy" sellers are so bad, I don't see why you want to protect them
from being taken advantage of.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | junkpile | | Posted: | Oct 13, 2010 16:07 | | Subject: | Re: Sellers Opt in to Banned Buyers | | Viewed: | 30 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| | | If those "greedy" sellers are so bad, I don't see why you want to protect them
from being taken advantage of.
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Actually I don't want to see anyone hurt at all or cheated. If this decision
didn't affect the entire community I might not care...but it does. By undermining
the NPB policy it affects all sellers. Sorry if I offended you but we each have
a right to our vote..mine remains "NO" for the good of the community here. You
are welcome to disagree.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | fredjh | | Posted: | Oct 13, 2010 16:44 | | Subject: | Re: Sellers Opt in to Banned Buyers | | Viewed: | 23 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, junkpile writes:
| | | | If those "greedy" sellers are so bad, I don't see why you want to protect them
from being taken advantage of.
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Actually I don't want to see anyone hurt at all or cheated.
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That's very magnanimous of you, but if I were a seller I think I'd want to make
that decision for myself.
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didn't affect the entire community I might not care...but it does. By undermining
the NPB policy it affects all sellers.
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How? If a seller opts out (as I assume most would), how does it affect them?
| | Sorry if I offended you but we each have
a right to our vote..mine remains "NO" for the good of the community here. You
are welcome to disagree.
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What makes you think you offended me? We just have a difference of opinion;
I don't find that offensive. It's also not my suggestion, it's just one I'm
defending as I happen to agree with the philosophy of personal freedoms, liberties,
and the responsibility that comes from those.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | Speciale | | Posted: | Oct 13, 2010 13:29 | | Subject: | Re: Sellers Opt in to Banned Buyers | | Viewed: | 33 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, fredjh writes:
| | In Suggestions, brasletty writes:
| | sorry i vote No , whay i dont like it , everybody need to be equal ? so if you
still can banned a seller and not a buyer ? what i like more is that i can refuse
selling to buyers who recive an NPB no need for a complete on ?
regards rohnny
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While I disagree with your no vote, I do also think you should have more leeway
as a seller.
I think NPB/NSS, etc., should be like points on a drivers license... they drop
off over time without incidents. Infractions are still on your record, but they
don't count towards punishments after dropping off.
But I would agree with you that a seller should be able to opt not to sell to
a buyer who has ANY NPBs if they don't want to ("seller refuses buyers with NPBs").
I wouldn't have a problem with that.
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if my buying and selling in BL are the same than my drivers license ? so when
i drive my Ducati sp4 and i drive 280km/h and the police pic me up if they can
follow me ,i have to go to cort and i say there sorry i dont know ? i wil recive
a nice answer , you have to know it and give me your drivers license for your
life time ?
regards r
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | fredjh | | Posted: | Oct 13, 2010 13:57 | | Subject: | Re: Sellers Opt in to Banned Buyers | | Viewed: | 29 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, brasletty writes:
| | if my buying and selling in BL are the same than my drivers license ? so when
i drive my Ducati sp4 and i drive 280km/h and the police pic me up if they can
follow me ,i have to go to cort and i say there sorry i dont know ? i wil recive
a nice answer , you have to know it and give me your drivers license for your
life time ?
regards r
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No, they're not the same... but there would be some similarity in the point system.
I don't think you understand what I'm saying at all.
With your drivers license, you ALWAYS pay some penalty when you get a ticket,
but how many points you get applied to your license correspond to the severity
of the infraction. Points drop off over time, but if you exceed your point limit,
the license is suspended... but you're not ever just "forgiven" for an offense,
and if you do something REALLY bad, like driving 280km/h in a 60km/h, that's
enough points to have your license suspended IMMEDIATELY.
Likewise, if someone were to have three NPBs against them all in one month, without
any positive transactions, it would be immediate suspension of buying privileges.
But if someone has 2 NPBs from five years ago, and since has had nothing but
positive transactions up until now, I don't think they should be penalized for
it if one bad transaction happens now (well, they should be penalized for that
transaction).
I'm just saying that if you start off with two NPBs, then have years and hundreds
of positive transactions... to lose your buying privileges because of one misunderstanding
seems like the loss of a pretty good buyer and doesn't really make a lot of sense.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | Speciale | | Posted: | Oct 13, 2010 14:10 | | Subject: | Re: Sellers Opt in to Banned Buyers | | Viewed: | 35 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, fredjh writes:
| | In Suggestions, brasletty writes:
| | if my buying and selling in BL are the same than my drivers license ? so when
i drive my Ducati sp4 and i drive 280km/h and the police pic me up if they can
follow me ,i have to go to cort and i say there sorry i dont know ? i wil recive
a nice answer , you have to know it and give me your drivers license for your
life time ?
regards r
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No, they're not the same... but there would be some similarity in the point system.
I don't think you understand what I'm saying at all.
With your drivers license, you ALWAYS pay some penalty when you get a ticket,
but how many points you get applied to your license correspond to the severity
of the infraction. Points drop off over time, but if you exceed your point limit,
the license is suspended... but you're not ever just "forgiven" for an offense,
and if you do something REALLY bad, like driving 280km/h in a 60km/h, that's
enough points to have your license suspended IMMEDIATELY.
Likewise, if someone were to have three NPBs against them all in one month, without
any positive transactions, it would be immediate suspension of buying privileges.
But if someone has 2 NPBs from five years ago, and since has had nothing but
positive transactions up until now, I don't think they should be penalized for
it if one bad transaction happens now (well, they should be penalized for that
transaction).
I'm just saying that if you start off with two NPBs, then have years and hundreds
of positive transactions... to lose your buying privileges because of one misunderstanding
seems like the loss of a pretty good buyer and doesn't really make a lot of sense.
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i understand you very well , first whe dont Points on a drivers license , it
is the cort who take your license and give you a penalty.
what you mention here is totaly diferent when the post start ?
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| In Suggestions, brasletty writes:
| | i understand you very well , first whe dont Points on a drivers license , it
is the cort who take your license and give you a penalty.
what you mention here is totaly diferent when the post start ?
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Well.. I'm sorry then, because I'm not understanding your complaint.
Where I live, when you commit a traffic violation, not only do you pay, but you
get points on your license. I never implied it was like that everywhere. They
only take your license if you exceed the number of allowable points. Driving
280 in a 60 zone would give you enough points in one violation to have your license
taken away (and send you to jail, too).
I'm not the one who made the OP; the suggestion you are voting on has nothing
to do with how this thread was diverted, it was just to point out that not all
NPBs are the same... I don't see how any rational person could consider an NPB
from five years ago, followed by hundreds of positive transactions, to be equal
to an NPB earned today.
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| In Suggestions, fredjh writes:
[snip]
| | I'm not the one who made the OP; the suggestion you are voting on has nothing
to do with how this thread was diverted, it was just to point out that not all
NPBs are the same... I don't see how any rational person could consider an NPB
from five years ago, followed by hundreds of positive transactions, to be equal
to an NPB earned today.
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And since all NPBs are NOT the same, the specific situations of being banned
that do arise should be left to Admin to decide. There is no need to create extra
layers of complexity and obfuscation for the few bad seeds or falsely accused
bad seeds that do arise.
Cheers,
Randy
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| | | | | | | Author: | bsohn | | Posted: | Oct 13, 2010 14:00 | | Subject: | Re: Sellers Opt in to Banned Buyers | | Viewed: | 39 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| | | do not forget the seller who recive 3 NSS that he still can sell ?
today i recive a order from a 0 feedback buyer after i send invois , i recive
an email 2 min after i send invois " Total price (includes shiipping fee to
KOREA) is too expensive to me now
I'm verry sorry about that."
he can ask shipping cost in advance ?order whas only one set
regards r
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I think you got an order from the same seller I did.. I noticed that he was new
and asked for shipping in the order so i knew he probably had no idea how this
works so i sent him an email instead of invoicing and told him what the costs
were and to use the Contact Seller tab instead of actually ordering the item
for shipping costs as it causes issues. He also cancelled his order with me this
morning because shipping was too high..
Hopefully he learns and does it right from now on..
As for banning buyers (I haven't read through everything so I don't know if this
has been suggested) but maybe it should be something like this:
Each store has the ability to Ban a buyer that they have done business with.
each store will independently make that determination as they will have had to
conduct business with them. One a buyer is banned from say 3 stores a Yellow
flag is waived to sellers when they place an order and a warning is made to the
buyer letting them know that their order may be for any reason. At 5 they are
banned from purchasing on the site..
I also think that the system should be time based as someone could have a couple
BAD transactions and piss off sellers and get strikes. or a seller can give them
a strike becausue they do back out of a payment which may or may not be legit.
so there should be some redemption period..
Think of it like a drivers license points system only the stores dealing with
the person is who gives out the tickets.. The feedback system is similar but
there are no consequences. So a bad buyer loses seven points on his 500 rating
for being a seller. You will never know by numbers.
Brion Sohn
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| | | | | Author: | Rob_and_Shelagh | | Posted: | Oct 13, 2010 12:16 | | Subject: | Re: Sellers Opt in to Banned Buyers | | Viewed: | 34 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, TorontoLego writes:
| | Let's make this simpler ---
I want the OPTION to SELL to BUYERS who are Banned.
Make it a store selling option, and a new list -- the START-LIST
[ ] Seller agrees to take orders from buyers on my START-LIST
When a Buyer gets their 3rd NPB - the system should tell the member that their
buying privileges have been revoked from all stores EXCEPT those that have that
flag turned on and have added them to their Start-List.
That way Sellers get to decide on individual cases as they see fit. And if they
don't want to bother, they don't have to.
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Interesting, a desperate sellers club.. we SO need orders we'll sell to anyone
even those who have had 3 NPBs. So on this basis should we also give buyers have
the option to buy from banned fruadulent sellers? Shall we have a list of those
buyers and call them mugs?
I think no on this one. Why encourage bad behaviour? This is a great site, please
let's keep the incentive to trade well.
Robert
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| Come on, are you really suggesting that a more leniant system would encourage
more NPB's?
Again -- this is a suggestion for the Sellers who WANT it! - Can I hear a rational
argument against allowing sellers to make their own decisions (whether or not
you think they are good or bad decisions)
It's not like this will give those sellers who opt for this a competitive advantage
-- it's a non-existent market currently.
In Suggestions, Rob_and_Shelagh writes:
| | In Suggestions, TorontoLego writes:
| | Let's make this simpler ---
I want the OPTION to SELL to BUYERS who are Banned.
Make it a store selling option, and a new list -- the START-LIST
[ ] Seller agrees to take orders from buyers on my START-LIST
When a Buyer gets their 3rd NPB - the system should tell the member that their
buying privileges have been revoked from all stores EXCEPT those that have that
flag turned on and have added them to their Start-List.
That way Sellers get to decide on individual cases as they see fit. And if they
don't want to bother, they don't have to.
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Interesting, a desperate sellers club.. we SO need orders we'll sell to anyone
even those who have had 3 NPBs. So on this basis should we also give buyers have
the option to buy from banned fruadulent sellers? Shall we have a list of those
buyers and call them mugs?
I think no on this one. Why encourage bad behaviour? This is a great site, please
let's keep the incentive to trade well.
Robert
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | Rob_and_Shelagh | | Posted: | Oct 13, 2010 12:38 | | Subject: | Re: Sellers Opt in to Banned Buyers | | Viewed: | 32 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, TorontoLego writes:
| | Come on, are you really suggesting that a more leniant system would encourage
more NPB's?
Again -- this is a suggestion for the Sellers who WANT it! - Can I hear a rational
argument against allowing sellers to make their own decisions (whether or not
you think they are good or bad decisions)
It's not like this will give those sellers who opt for this a competitive advantage
-- it's a non-existent market currently.
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I voted no because I don't like the idea of encouraging any lowering of standards
here, simple as that. I like this site because standards are higher than on other
sites. If it is a non-existent market, perhaps someone should open such a market
for those that can't keep within the rules here. Call it MegaBlokLink or something
Seriously, just because something is an "option", it can still lower the tone
of the place for those that do not have a problem with the rules and give the
impression that any old behaviour will be tollerated. I do not believe that is
good for the site as a whole, hence my vote, sorry.
Robert
| | In Suggestions, Rob_and_Shelagh writes:
| | In Suggestions, TorontoLego writes:
| | Let's make this simpler ---
I want the OPTION to SELL to BUYERS who are Banned.
Make it a store selling option, and a new list -- the START-LIST
[ ] Seller agrees to take orders from buyers on my START-LIST
When a Buyer gets their 3rd NPB - the system should tell the member that their
buying privileges have been revoked from all stores EXCEPT those that have that
flag turned on and have added them to their Start-List.
That way Sellers get to decide on individual cases as they see fit. And if they
don't want to bother, they don't have to.
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Interesting, a desperate sellers club.. we SO need orders we'll sell to anyone
even those who have had 3 NPBs. So on this basis should we also give buyers have
the option to buy from banned fruadulent sellers? Shall we have a list of those
buyers and call them mugs?
I think no on this one. Why encourage bad behaviour? This is a great site, please
let's keep the incentive to trade well.
Robert
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| | | | | Author: | misbi | | Posted: | Oct 13, 2010 12:47 | | Subject: | Re: Sellers Opt in to Banned Buyers | | Viewed: | 26 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, TorontoLego writes:
| | Let's make this simpler ---
I want the OPTION to SELL to BUYERS who are Banned.
Make it a store selling option, and a new list -- the START-LIST
[ ] Seller agrees to take orders from buyers on my START-LIST
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I'd suggest SUB-PRIME-LIST may be appropriate 
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| | | | | Author: | maxx3001 | | Posted: | Oct 13, 2010 13:01 | | Subject: | Re: Sellers Opt in to Banned Buyers | | Viewed: | 38 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, TorontoLego writes:
| | Let's make this simpler ---
I want the OPTION to SELL to BUYERS who are Banned.
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No.
For the same reasons already named, no lowering of standards here.
I might be in for a removal of 1 NPB after a 3 year period.
So after 3 years the oldest NPB disapears, the negative feedback remains for
all to see.
But the NPB doesn't count anymore towards the 3 strikes your out.
That would work for what has been discussed with the other buyer/seller.
My two cents,
Maxx
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| | | | | | | Author: | Rob_and_Shelagh | | Posted: | Oct 13, 2010 13:07 | | Subject: | Re: Sellers Opt in to Banned Buyers | | Viewed: | 40 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, maxx361 writes:
| | In Suggestions, TorontoLego writes:
| | Let's make this simpler ---
I want the OPTION to SELL to BUYERS who are Banned.
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No.
For the same reasons already named, no lowering of standards here.
I might be in for a removal of 1 NPB after a 3 year period.
So after 3 years the oldest NPB disapears, the negative feedback remains for
all to see.
But the NPB doesn't count anymore towards the 3 strikes your out.
That would work for what has been discussed with the other buyer/seller.
My two cents,
Maxx
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I could live with your suggestion Maxx. Maybe there could be a further criteria
of XXX number of positive FBs needed before the oldest NPB disapears. This might
indeed help those who made mistakes in their learning days but I still generally
feel that if you don't get it after 2 mistakes and make a 3rd...... then Admin
is probably in a better position to judge than a seller who has never had any
dealings with the buyer in question.
Robert
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| | | | | Author: | junkpile | | Posted: | Oct 13, 2010 13:24 | | Subject: | Re: Sellers Opt in to Banned Buyers | | Viewed: | 32 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| Sorry this option would be TERRIBLE!!!
After all the entire point of banning bad buyers is because they don't pay and
tie up stock. It's not like it's one strike your out...they get three chances
and still have the opportunity to go back and fix the problem with sellers.
If we tell them...don't worry just get 3 strikes...they you can still buy from
GREEDY sellers who are willing to risk you, they why would they even try NOT
to get three strikes?
This would undermine the entire disciplinary system and make Bricklink a less
safe place to have a store when we encourage bad buyers. Let bad buyers go back
to Ebay (assuming they are not already banned from there also).
My 2 cents.
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| | | | | Author: | .bob | | Posted: | Oct 13, 2010 13:35 | | Subject: | (Cancelled) | | Viewed: | 53 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| | | | | Author: | TBS | | Posted: | Oct 13, 2010 14:24 | | Subject: | Re: Sellers Opt in to Banned Buyers | | Viewed: | 38 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, TorontoLego writes:
| | Let's make this simpler ---
I want the OPTION to SELL to BUYERS who are Banned.
Make it a store selling option, and a new list -- the START-LIST
[ ] Seller agrees to take orders from buyers on my START-LIST
When a Buyer gets their 3rd NPB - the system should tell the member that their
buying privileges have been revoked from all stores EXCEPT those that have that
flag turned on and have added them to their Start-List.
That way Sellers get to decide on individual cases as they see fit. And if they
don't want to bother, they don't have to.
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Hi to all,
i dont know if i am understood correctly but i think you know what i mean.
this option is complete nonsense and waste of time in any ways.
if a buyer is banned, its because he hasnt been relailable at all for many times.
no one needs such costumers.
Good ones count on my word as i do on theirs.
trust is the foundation if business.
so the members banned are a pain in the a.. , they should be deleted once and
for all.
if you get banned, you show you dont even have the will or the guts to settle
problems with an order or a seller. they simply run away, saying nothing.
an invitation of these members coming back would cherish their questionable and
negative habits.
we as sellers should cherish our good buyers more, not be begging the worst.
i would go further and say, the option of disallowing buyers with negative feedback
is
great, but maybe it wouldnt be to bad if you could raise it from negative to
2 NPB´s .
(before this feature came, i once used a weekend to set all with neg feedback
on my stoplist,
this were more than 600 at that time.)
with this, one could make it possible for stoplisted members to contact the sellers,
(which is in fact an good idea) and ask if they can sort previous things out,
and try a new one.
To me the cornerstone of bricklink are there members who are here to share their
hobby
lego with all the others.
this makes it like a little home, like dealing with friends and neighbors.
in allmost all of the times, a word is still a word here.
this makes this place so wonderful.
any action which tends to loose this path is a wrong one.
then we turn to things like *bay which has become a sad story,
and to me a unwanted place to earn my daily bread. (rather i would sell nothing
at all ...joke.)
so in my point of view, we should watch and care about things stay as good as
now, and not be getting soft because of a few papermoney-dollars no one knows
he´ll ever receive it.
word
all the best
tom
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| | | | | Author: | TorontoLego | | Posted: | Oct 13, 2010 14:50 | | Subject: | Re: Sellers Opt in to Banned Buyers | | Viewed: | 47 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| WELL,
That was quite a debate.
It seems to break down like this:
In favour -- Capitalists who think that sellers should take risk on their own
accord.
Against -- Socialists who think that a punitive system with no (or at least very
little) chance of reprieve is more important because it is good for the community
at large and protects sellers from making their own bad decisions.
Meh
BTW,
After reading all of this -- I would add these tweaks:
a) Sellers should be able to restrict communication within BL system from NPB's
(your own email system is easy enough to send a few specific emails to spam)
b) Sellers who accept orders from NPB's should not have the option of filing
Further NPB's. -Ve FB and a cancelled order would suffice. This should relieve
the concern of further burden on ADMIN.
Please Remember:
This would need to be a specific OPT-IN function -- As in -- Add a specific member
to your list of acceptable NPB customers.
In Suggestions, TorontoLego writes:
| | Let's make this simpler ---
I want the OPTION to SELL to BUYERS who are Banned.
Make it a store selling option, and a new list -- the START-LIST
[ ] Seller agrees to take orders from buyers on my START-LIST
When a Buyer gets their 3rd NPB - the system should tell the member that their
buying privileges have been revoked from all stores EXCEPT those that have that
flag turned on and have added them to their Start-List.
That way Sellers get to decide on individual cases as they see fit. And if they
don't want to bother, they don't have to.
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| | | | | | | Author: | FigBits | | Posted: | Oct 13, 2010 15:29 | | Subject: | Re: Sellers Opt in to Banned Buyers | | Viewed: | 29 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, TorontoLego writes:
| | WELL,
That was quite a debate.
It seems to break down like this:
In favour -- Capitalists who think that sellers should take risk on their own
accord.
Against -- Socialists who think that a punitive system with no (or at least very
little) chance of reprieve is more important because it is good for the community
at large and protects sellers from making their own bad decisions.
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It's never that simple. Personally, I like the idea, but your descriptions of
the politics are pretty far off for me.
An alternate way of looking at the responses which assigns the opposite sides
of the ideology spectrum:
Those against the idea are social conservatives who believe that punitive actions
act primarily as a deterrent to initial wrongdoing, and those for the idea are
social liberals who believe that outcasts always deserve a second chance.
Or, more likely, those in favour of the idea have their own reasons, and those
against it have their own reasons, regardless of their ideologies.
--
Marc.
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | fredjh | | Posted: | Oct 13, 2010 15:38 | | Subject: | Re: Sellers Opt in to Banned Buyers | | Viewed: | 49 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, fleury writes:
| | In Suggestions, TorontoLego writes:
| | WELL,
That was quite a debate.
It seems to break down like this:
In favour -- Capitalists who think that sellers should take risk on their own
accord.
Against -- Socialists who think that a punitive system with no (or at least very
little) chance of reprieve is more important because it is good for the community
at large and protects sellers from making their own bad decisions.
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It's never that simple. Personally, I like the idea, but your descriptions of
the politics are pretty far off for me.
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I had the exact same thought as TorontoLego, honestly.
| | An alternate way of looking at the responses which assigns the opposite sides
of the ideology spectrum:
Those against the idea are social conservatives who believe that punitive actions
act primarily as a deterrent to initial wrongdoing, and those for the idea are
social liberals who believe that outcasts always deserve a second chance.
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I disagree... I think punitive actions are definitely meant to be a deterrent
to initial wrongdoing, I just also happen to believe that people make mistakes,
or sometimes "stuff" happens. IMO, social liberal = capitalist, but you are
twisting things with your use of the word "always."
I support the suggestion, but that doesn't mean I would personally want to sell
to people with NPBs... the suggestion is simply that sellers ought to be able
to determine for themselves who they sell to... that doesn't mean they'd ALWAYS
sell to NPBs, it means they might look at the three strikes rule as a guideline
and not a line in the sand, and they can look at someone's feedback and see that,
yes, they have three NPBs, but two were from years and years ago and were followed
by hundreds of positive transactions, so they are willing to take the chance
with that buyer.
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| | | | | | | | | | | Author: | FigBits | | Posted: | Oct 13, 2010 15:58 | | Subject: | Re: Sellers Opt in to Banned Buyers | | Viewed: | 33 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, fredjh writes:
| | In Suggestions, fleury writes:
| | An alternate way of looking at the responses which assigns the opposite sides
of the ideology spectrum:
Those against the idea are social conservatives who believe that punitive actions
act primarily as a deterrent to initial wrongdoing, and those for the idea are
social liberals who believe that outcasts always deserve a second chance.
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I disagree... I think punitive actions are definitely meant to be a deterrent
to initial wrongdoing, I just also happen to believe that people make mistakes,
or sometimes "stuff" happens. IMO, social liberal = capitalist, but you are
twisting things with your use of the word "always."
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I should clarify: that paragraph was not meant to express my own opinion, but
rather to illustrate the fact that trying to simplify the discussion to a capitalist/socialist
(or conservative/liberal) paradigm is useless (as it usually is).
--
Marc.
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| | | | | Author: | Brickwilbo | | Posted: | Oct 13, 2010 16:13 | | Subject: | Re: Sellers Opt in to Banned Buyers | | Viewed: | 29 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, TorontoLego writes:
| | Let's make this simpler ---
I want the OPTION to SELL to BUYERS who are Banned.
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You could write in your Terms:
"Willing to sell to Banned Buyers, decided on individual case."
| | Make it a store selling option, and a new list -- the START-LIST
[ ] Seller agrees to take orders from buyers on my START-LIST
When a Buyer gets their 3rd NPB - the system should tell the member that their
buying privileges have been revoked from all stores EXCEPT those that have that
flag turned on and have added them to their Start-List.
That way Sellers get to decide on individual cases as they see fit. And if they
don't want to bother, they don't have to.
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| In Suggestions, Brickwilbo writes:
| | In Suggestions, TorontoLego writes:
| | Let's make this simpler ---
I want the OPTION to SELL to BUYERS who are Banned.
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You could write in your Terms:
"Willing to sell to Banned Buyers, decided on individual case."
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I would -- except currently the only way to complete the transaction would be
offsite - and I wouldn't do that because it would be fee avoidance.
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| | Make it a store selling option, and a new list -- the START-LIST
[ ] Seller agrees to take orders from buyers on my START-LIST
When a Buyer gets their 3rd NPB - the system should tell the member that their
buying privileges have been revoked from all stores EXCEPT those that have that
flag turned on and have added them to their Start-List.
That way Sellers get to decide on individual cases as they see fit. And if they
don't want to bother, they don't have to.
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | dkoudys | | Posted: | Oct 13, 2010 16:25 | | Subject: | Re: Sellers Opt in to Banned Buyers | | Viewed: | 27 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, TorontoLego writes:
| | In Suggestions, Brickwilbo writes:
| | In Suggestions, TorontoLego writes:
| | Let's make this simpler ---
I want the OPTION to SELL to BUYERS who are Banned.
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You could write in your Terms:
"Willing to sell to Banned Buyers, decided on individual case."
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I would -- except currently the only way to complete the transaction would be
offsite - and I wouldn't do that because it would be fee avoidance.
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How can it be fee avoidance if the buyer can't order here anyway? Is like saying
me selling bricks 'off line' to people under the age of 18--can't be fee avoidance--they
can't order here...
(not that I'm condining this behaviour...)
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| | Make it a store selling option, and a new list -- the START-LIST
[ ] Seller agrees to take orders from buyers on my START-LIST
When a Buyer gets their 3rd NPB - the system should tell the member that their
buying privileges have been revoked from all stores EXCEPT those that have that
flag turned on and have added them to their Start-List.
That way Sellers get to decide on individual cases as they see fit. And if they
don't want to bother, they don't have to.
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| In Suggestions, dkoudys writes:
| | In Suggestions, TorontoLego writes:
| | In Suggestions, Brickwilbo writes:
| | In Suggestions, TorontoLego writes:
| | Let's make this simpler ---
I want the OPTION to SELL to BUYERS who are Banned.
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You could write in your Terms:
"Willing to sell to Banned Buyers, decided on individual case."
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I would -- except currently the only way to complete the transaction would be
offsite - and I wouldn't do that because it would be fee avoidance.
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How can it be fee avoidance if the buyer can't order here anyway? Is like saying
me selling bricks 'off line' to people under the age of 18--can't be fee avoidance--they
can't order here...
(not that I'm condining this behaviour...)
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Another example, if I visit a BL seller's house and say, 'hey! I'd like some
of those...' or, since some sellers here have store fronts in teh RW, I see a
set or pieces they have on here and go to their store and buy it there--that
can't be fee avoidance, can it?
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[ ] Seller agrees to take orders from buyers on my START-LIST
When a Buyer gets their 3rd NPB - the system should tell the member that their
buying privileges have been revoked from all stores EXCEPT those that have that
flag turned on and have added them to their Start-List.
That way Sellers get to decide on individual cases as they see fit. And if they
don't want to bother, they don't have to.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | TorontoLego | | Posted: | Oct 13, 2010 16:30 | | Subject: | Re: Sellers Opt in to Banned Buyers | | Viewed: | 27 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, dkoudys writes:
| | In Suggestions, dkoudys writes:
| | In Suggestions, TorontoLego writes:
| | In Suggestions, Brickwilbo writes:
| | In Suggestions, TorontoLego writes:
| | Let's make this simpler ---
I want the OPTION to SELL to BUYERS who are Banned.
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You could write in your Terms:
"Willing to sell to Banned Buyers, decided on individual case."
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I would -- except currently the only way to complete the transaction would be
offsite - and I wouldn't do that because it would be fee avoidance.
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How can it be fee avoidance if the buyer can't order here anyway? Is like saying
me selling bricks 'off line' to people under the age of 18--can't be fee avoidance--they
can't order here...
(not that I'm condining this behaviour...)
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Another example, if I visit a BL seller's house and say, 'hey! I'd like some
of those...' or, since some sellers here have store fronts in teh RW, I see a
set or pieces they have on here and go to their store and buy it there--that
can't be fee avoidance, can it?
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Actually, if a BL customer comes over to buy stuff, and then wants to add a bunch
of these and a few of those -- I request that they do it through BL. It is convenient
as it adjusts inventory -- but it's also Admin's right, he earned that commission
when that customer got introduced to me through BL.
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[ ] Seller agrees to take orders from buyers on my START-LIST
When a Buyer gets their 3rd NPB - the system should tell the member that their
buying privileges have been revoked from all stores EXCEPT those that have that
flag turned on and have added them to their Start-List.
That way Sellers get to decide on individual cases as they see fit. And if they
don't want to bother, they don't have to.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | FigBits | | Posted: | Oct 13, 2010 16:47 | | Subject: | Re: Sellers Opt in to Banned Buyers | | Viewed: | 26 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, dkoudys writes:
| | In Suggestions, dkoudys writes:
| | In Suggestions, TorontoLego writes:
| | In Suggestions, Brickwilbo writes:
| | In Suggestions, TorontoLego writes:
| | Let's make this simpler ---
I want the OPTION to SELL to BUYERS who are Banned.
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You could write in your Terms:
"Willing to sell to Banned Buyers, decided on individual case."
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I would -- except currently the only way to complete the transaction would be
offsite - and I wouldn't do that because it would be fee avoidance.
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How can it be fee avoidance if the buyer can't order here anyway? Is like saying
me selling bricks 'off line' to people under the age of 18--can't be fee avoidance--they
can't order here...
(not that I'm condining this behaviour...)
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Another example, if I visit a BL seller's house and say, 'hey! I'd like some
of those...' or, since some sellers here have store fronts in teh RW, I see a
set or pieces they have on here and go to their store and buy it there--that
can't be fee avoidance, can it?
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If you use BL's system (in the original case, the banned buyer uses BL to contact
the seller) to make a sale off-BL, that's fee avoidance.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | Speciale | | Posted: | Oct 13, 2010 16:51 | | Subject: | Re: Sellers Opt in to Banned Buyers | | Viewed: | 27 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, fleury writes:
| | In Suggestions, dkoudys writes:
| | In Suggestions, dkoudys writes:
| | In Suggestions, TorontoLego writes:
| | In Suggestions, Brickwilbo writes:
| | In Suggestions, TorontoLego writes:
| | Let's make this simpler ---
I want the OPTION to SELL to BUYERS who are Banned.
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You could write in your Terms:
"Willing to sell to Banned Buyers, decided on individual case."
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I would -- except currently the only way to complete the transaction would be
offsite - and I wouldn't do that because it would be fee avoidance.
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How can it be fee avoidance if the buyer can't order here anyway? Is like saying
me selling bricks 'off line' to people under the age of 18--can't be fee avoidance--they
can't order here...
(not that I'm condining this behaviour...)
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Another example, if I visit a BL seller's house and say, 'hey! I'd like some
of those...' or, since some sellers here have store fronts in teh RW, I see a
set or pieces they have on here and go to their store and buy it there--that
can't be fee avoidance, can it?
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If you use BL's system (in the original case, the banned buyer uses BL to contact
the seller) to make a sale off-BL, that's fee avoidance.
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i recive sometimes emails like that .
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | junkpile | | Posted: | Oct 13, 2010 16:56 | | Subject: | Re: Sellers Opt in to Banned Buyers | | Viewed: | 34 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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If you use BL's system (in the original case, the banned buyer uses BL to contact
the seller) to make a sale off-BL, that's fee avoidance.
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I don't sell off BL...and trading is NOT fee avoidance. Especially when I pay
fees on so many trades here on BL anyway..think I pay extra that considered.
What I referred to in my post is people no longer on BL that I did business with
in the past or became friends with here and they contact me. I follow the rules.
You know if NPB folks followed them we wouldn't be having this discussion.
I mean one NPB could be a mistake...perhaps with a spam filter problem... but
2 then 3 sorry that's No mistake. They can read it on their BL account when
they log in. There was one guy who NPB'd me and did it to a bunch of others
same time. Not like it's simple mistake were talking about.
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| | | | | Author: | Rolf | | Posted: | Oct 13, 2010 16:15 | | Subject: | Re: Sellers Opt in to Banned Buyers | | Viewed: | 27 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, TorontoLego writes:
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I want the OPTION to SELL to BUYERS who are Banned.
Make it a store selling option, and a new list -- the START-LIST
[ ] Seller agrees to take orders from buyers on my START-LIST
When a Buyer gets their 3rd NPB - the system should tell the member that their
buying privileges have been revoked from all stores EXCEPT those that have that
flag turned on and have added them to their Start-List.
That way Sellers get to decide on individual cases as they see fit. And if they
don't want to bother, they don't have to.
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No. More work for Admin.
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| | | | | | | Author: | TorontoLego | | Posted: | Oct 13, 2010 16:18 | | Subject: | Re: Sellers Opt in to Banned Buyers | | Viewed: | 29 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, Rolf writes:
| | In Suggestions, TorontoLego writes:
| | Let's make this simpler ---
I want the OPTION to SELL to BUYERS who are Banned.
Make it a store selling option, and a new list -- the START-LIST
[ ] Seller agrees to take orders from buyers on my START-LIST
When a Buyer gets their 3rd NPB - the system should tell the member that their
buying privileges have been revoked from all stores EXCEPT those that have that
flag turned on and have added them to their Start-List.
That way Sellers get to decide on individual cases as they see fit. And if they
don't want to bother, they don't have to.
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No. More work for Admin.
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Huh? What work -- it's a one time set up thing... and ... More money for Admin
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | Rolf | | Posted: | Oct 13, 2010 21:21 | | Subject: | Re: Sellers Opt in to Banned Buyers | | Viewed: | 23 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, TorontoLego writes:
| | In Suggestions, Rolf writes:
Huh? What work -- it's a one time set up thing... and ... More money for Admin
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More NPBs means more work. Whats more is that it does not stop at 3 NPBs this
time. It's ponentally unlimited scamming buyers.
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| | | | | Author: | ToriHada | | Posted: | Oct 13, 2010 17:13 | | Subject: | (Cancelled) | | Viewed: | 60 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| | | | | | | Author: | TorontoLego | | Posted: | Oct 13, 2010 17:19 | | Subject: | Re: Sellers Opt in to Banned Buyers | | Viewed: | 50 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, fosterbengoshi writes:
| | I am with Troy and the other unforgiving intolerant hard-ass anti-capitalist
and Un-American "socialists" on this one. I vote no. The NPB and NSS system exists
for a reason. Once banned, it should be solely up to Admin whether to allow you
back on HIS site.
There is no reason to give sellers the means to disregard the NPB system - a
system set up for everyone's protection - just because one recent example seems
harsh. In the almost eight years I have been a member of BrickLink, this recent
example is the ONLY time I ever questioned whether the buying ban was deserved.
There must have been thousands of members who lost their buying privileges during
that same time. I am not about to give sellers a tool that essentially nullifies
that system just because it may seem harsh one time out of every 5000 or 10,000
cases.
The buyer in question still has a chance to get his buying privileges back. It
is not the end of the world for him. As any married man already knows, a brief
vacation followed by a sincere apology and some serious butt-kissing usually
works wonders.
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Are you for real?
Wow!
I have to say that last paragraph REALLY offended me.
Maybe after 3 vacations you would think that the butt kissing wouldn't work?
Oy Vey!
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | ToriHada | | Posted: | Oct 13, 2010 17:31 | | Subject: | (Cancelled) | | Viewed: | 97 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| | | | | Author: | BLUSER_79471 | | Posted: | Oct 13, 2010 21:14 | | Subject: | Re: Sellers Opt in to Banned Buyers | | Viewed: | 47 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, TorontoLego writes:
| | Let's make this simpler ---
I want the OPTION to SELL to BUYERS who are Banned.
Make it a store selling option, and a new list -- the START-LIST
[ ] Seller agrees to take orders from buyers on my START-LIST
When a Buyer gets their 3rd NPB - the system should tell the member that their
buying privileges have been revoked from all stores EXCEPT those that have that
flag turned on and have added them to their Start-List.
That way Sellers get to decide on individual cases as they see fit. And if they
don't want to bother, they don't have to.
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ROFLMAO
Ah, please tell me you're kidding about this suggestion right? No way you can
be serious?
First off, you, I, and every other member of Bricklink is a guest in Admin's
house. We follow the rules on his site whether we like them or not. If you
don't like them, you have the option to not be here.
To post a suggestion stating that I still want to sell to someone even though
Admin says I can't is completely ridiculous.
And before a "well I pay selling fee's I should have the right and option" reply
is posted, my answer to that is NO YOU SHOULDN'T! Admin's rules are not a democracy,
they have been set in place for the greater good, like them or not.
I reply no to this suggestion on the grounds that it's completely stupid.
Rumrunner.
(mod's, I apologize in advance and will happily take a forum ban but this type
of throwing gasoline on the fire suggestions is ridiculous).
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| | | | | Author: | LEGOMASTER | | Posted: | Oct 13, 2010 21:23 | | Subject: | Re: Sellers Opt in to Banned Buyers | | Viewed: | 39 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, TorontoLego writes:
| | Let's make this simpler ---
I want the OPTION to SELL to BUYERS who are Banned.
Make it a store selling option, and a new list -- the START-LIST
[ ] Seller agrees to take orders from buyers on my START-LIST
When a Buyer gets their 3rd NPB - the system should tell the member that their
buying privileges have been revoked from all stores EXCEPT those that have that
flag turned on and have added them to their Start-List.
That way Sellers get to decide on individual cases as they see fit. And if they
don't want to bother, they don't have to.
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It is up to Admin to decide. I vote no.
If this allow. I can see BL rules and other TOS being abuse behind the scenes.
I am not saying they are happening already. To have a ... sort of a BL 'black
market' getting around the rules. I believe this will also defeat the purpose
of NPB, NSS on BL.
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