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It was changed some years ago now, as they came with new sets and these are not
strictly extras, they are unused. When you sell a used set you do not need to
include them (only the parts necessary to build the set). But it is a good idea
to indicate that they are not included if you sell a used set.

How would a buyer know that these parts do not belong to a complete used
set?

If I was a buyer, I would check the received parts of a used set that I bought
on BrickLink against the Regular Items list of that set at BrickLink. And then
the trouble begins...

Author:

yorbrick

Posted:

Feb 28, 2024 04:29

Subject:

Re: Unused parts from part 4502 - Who is with me?

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In Inventories, EDOM writes:

4502 (Inv) Minifigure, Plume / Feather Wheel, 3 on Sprue
Parts: Minifigure, Headgear Accessory {Yellow}

Certain sets only use one or two of the plume feathers from that wheel. But even
if only one is used, the other two are also listed on the regular items.

On this page https://www.bricklink.com/help.asp?helpID=1562#regularItems in the
section "Additional Information About Regular Items" it says:
Parts on Sprues - Complete sprues are included in this section unless some
parts from the sprues are used in minifigures. In that case, the parts from the
sprues that are not used in minifigures are included in this section.

Now my question is: Why?

Example given: https://www.bricklink.com/catalogItemInv.asp?S=6274-1

4502a Minifigure, Plume Feather Small
Parts: Minifigure, Headgear Accessory {Yellow}

and

4502c Minifigure, Plume Feather Large
Parts: Minifigure, Headgear Accessory {Yellow}

are not used anywhere on the Caribbean Clipper. There
is no official parts list of this set. But still both pieces are listed as Regular
Items on BrickLink. In this particular case the price for the complete set is
increased by approximately $10 just because these two unused parts are listed
as regular parts.

I suggest to change the Brickink definition of regular items and move those parts
from Regular Items to Extra Items.

Who is with me?

Author:

EDOM

Posted:

Feb 28, 2024 04:15

Subject:

Unused parts from part 4502 - Who is with me?

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4502 (Inv) Minifigure, Plume / Feather Wheel, 3 on Sprue
Parts: Minifigure, Headgear Accessory {Yellow}

4502a Minifigure, Plume Feather Small
Parts: Minifigure, Headgear Accessory {Yellow}

and

4502c Minifigure, Plume Feather Large
Parts: Minifigure, Headgear Accessory {Yellow}

Author:

1001bricks

Posted:

Feb 26, 2024 12:20

Subject:

Re: PROBLEM WITH DARK BROWN 3062 ITEM

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In Inventories, minifig_75 writes:

In Inventories, StarBrick writes:

"... that sellers still don't download their Inventory XML everyday and
use
BrickStore to compare or restore any problem."

Seriously?
Do you really say that this is what's required to maintain a correct inventory
on BL these days?

That's the equivalent of checking every aisle in a grocery store after closing
time.
Every day.
Again.
All day's.

....

If this is true, the database and the way it handles orders and other changes
is even more gone astray than I could imagine....

Hello Starbrick and THANKS for your very useful reply!
I was as astonished when I read that a seller should spend his time checking
inventories EVERYDAY...! (honestly, I can't..! lool!)

Absolutely not: I said DOWNLOAD everyday.
Leave the Tab opened, it's ONE click per day.
Or say week?

Author:

1001bricks

Posted:

Feb 26, 2024 12:18

Subject:

Re: PROBLEM WITH DARK BROWN 3062 ITEM

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In Inventories, minifig_75 writes:

In Inventories, SylvainLS writes:

In Inventories, StarBrick writes:

If the seller didn't change the ID, what/who did?

If the seller didn't change the prices, what/who did?

Do you have proofs the seller didn’t do that?
Do you have proofs the next possibility, BL, did that?

What Sylvain/1001bricks said earlier is exactly that:
— when someone blames BL, they don’t have proofs,
— those who have backups and traces always find it’s their fault / can never
pin it on BL.

Hello Sylvain and thanks for your so very useful message, as usual...!
I don't get why you wrote this, please explain ?
To me, it feels to me you're just saying I lied.

No: there probably are reasons for those lots, including you making a typo or
an error at one moment. But of course, nobody can't remember having made
this kind of mistake (otherwise you'd have corrected it).

So, you can very easily imagine I am not the kind of people to waste his time
posting if it's useless. AND NO, I didn't do this..
I noticed it randomly while working on my inventory.

Chances are 99.99999% either normal BrickLink behaviour (instant check out, OCR,
OIR...) or your errors.

Take some time to set up adequate procedures to verify, if not, it simply didn't
happen.

Author:

SylvainLS

Posted:

Feb 26, 2024 08:05

Subject:

Re: PROBLEM WITH DARK BROWN 3062 ITEM

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In Inventories, minifig_75 writes:

[…]
Hello Sylvain and thanks for your so very useful message, as usual...!
I don't get why you wrote this, please explain ?

All the explanations are in my previous posts but maybe you didn’t have time
to read them thoroughly, so here’s an executive summary:

— That part only had its name and ID changed, there was no merge.
— Name and/or ID changes happen every week, they never created problems with
stores’ inventories. Certainly not changing colours AND prices.
— You’re the only one having a problem with this part¹.
— Memory isn’t a sufficient proof².

¹ In your first post, you asked if someone else had errors: no one has. The
only people who went your way are StarBrick and Randyf. In two very different
manners:
— StarBrick blamed a merge that didn’t happen. Nothing happened with their inventory.
— Randyf moaned the lack of changelogs on BL. Nothing happened with their inventory.

² See below.

To me, it feels to me you're just saying I lied. […]

I didn’t say you lied, I said you haven’t enough reasons to blame BL.

Regarding this kind of problems, the only fault BL has is that there’s no changelogs
and you need to keep them yourself if you want traces.
But then, if your first and only reaction is to blame BL, BL-generated changelogs
won’t be proof to you. So, as 1001bricks said, external proofs are a necessity.

And that’s all Sylvain and I are saying: ²you need proofs. If inventory changes
happen and hamper your business, you take the time to make changelogs by downloading
your inventory regularly and noting the changes you make. Then, you’ll be able
to back your memory with data and you’ll be able to blame BL. Otherwise, as
there’s no changelogs on BL, there’s nothing to work on, there’s nothing to investigate.

Author:

infinibrix

Posted:

Feb 26, 2024 04:25

Subject:

Re: PROBLEM WITH DARK BROWN 3062 ITEM

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https://www.bricklink.com/messageList.asp?overTP=Y&q=&qS=Y&qM=Y&msgID=&uName=SYLVAINls&ID=&status=&v=c&max=50

In Inventories, minifig_75 writes:

In Inventories, SylvainLS writes:

In Inventories, StarBrick writes:

If the seller didn't change the ID, what/who did?

If the seller didn't change the prices, what/who did?

Hello Sylvain and thanks for your so very useful message, as usual...!
I don't get why you wrote this, please explain ?
To me, it feels to me you're just saying I lied.
I have already specified once or twice on other messages I DON'T HAVE TIME
TO SPEND writing useless posts.. unfortunately, I have many things to do at home,
so I try to save time

, and I can't waste my time posting ..
So, you can very easily imagine I am not the kind of people to waste his time
posting if it's useless. AND NO, I didn't do this..
I noticed it randomly while working on my inventory.

I am pretty sure you, too, don't have time to waste posting messages like
this

hmm I wouldn't be so sure about that, in fact if you see any kind of absence
of his posts for any given number of days I'd be phoning the emergency services
to check he's okay!

Author:

minifig_75

Posted:

Feb 26, 2024 03:46

Subject:

Re: PROBLEM WITH DARK BROWN 3062 ITEM

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In Inventories, randyf writes:

In Inventories, 1001bricks writes:

In Inventories, minifig_75 writes:

Hey there!
So..** I'm a seller **
I just noticed that all my DARK BROWN 3062 turned into BROWN, AND their prices
changed too, from inventories A & C!!!

It's SO UNBELIEVABLE

... that sellers still don't download their Inventory XML everyday and use
BrickStore to compare or restore any problem.

So until then, it's probably not a BrickLink problem.

The fact that third-party tools are actually needed to operate a functioning
BrickLink store is definitely a BrickLink problem in my book.

Or you have some versions associated with an impossible color (like old
part with a new color), hence the color change.

That's one of the versions problems; many lots for sale are just either lies,
mistakes or typos

Randyf, I totally agree with you!
Thanks for the useful post

Author:

minifig_75

Posted:

Feb 26, 2024 03:44

Subject:

Re: PROBLEM WITH DARK BROWN 3062 ITEM

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In Inventories, StarBrick writes:

I know MOST errors people report are their own fault due to changes they make.
(made some myself over the years for sure

)

I know only a VERY FEW errors people report are not their own fault and DO happen....

I know that downloading an inventory CAN be helpful to find errors made by people.

Because of the merge in operation (and that will take some months I understand!)
we are forced to increase the monitoring of the inventory to CHECK nothing strange
DOES happen to the parts in store.

That's what both of you (SylvainLS and 1001bricks) suggest to do IN ORDER
to be able to PROOF it's not the users' error. That's the ridiculous
part of the response both of you add to the discussion.
And because the merging will be a process that's happening on a daily basis,
sellers are 'forced' to do these downloads and checks on a daily basis?
We are not paid to do these checks, every day. I think we pay the fees in order
NOT to be forced to do these checks on a daily basis.....

Thanks again!!
wow, for once, there's someone who seems to fully understand the issues at
stake!
thanks a lot again, I appreciate it

Author:

minifig_75

Posted:

Feb 26, 2024 03:42

Subject:

Re: PROBLEM WITH DARK BROWN 3062 ITEM

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In Inventories, StarBrick writes:

Hello Starbrick and THANKS for your very useful reply!
I was as astonished when I read that a seller should spend his time checking
inventories EVERYDAY...! (honestly, I can't..! lool!)

I wish you a very nice day

Author:

minifig_75

Posted:

Feb 26, 2024 03:39

Subject:

Re: PROBLEM WITH DARK BROWN 3062 ITEM

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In Inventories, SylvainLS writes:

In Inventories, StarBrick writes:

If the seller didn't change the ID, what/who did?

If the seller didn't change the prices, what/who did?

Author:

Nubs_Select

Posted:

Feb 26, 2024 00:25

Subject:

Re: PROBLEM WITH DARK BROWN 3062 ITEM

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Same way sellers tell me "Keeping the old e-mails? Oh no, I delete them of
course"

Just for you I’ve started keeping purchase emails (tho not selling ones)

Author:

ghyde

Posted:

Feb 25, 2024 15:40

Subject:

Re: PROBLEM WITH DARK BROWN 3062 ITEM

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In Inventories, 1001bricks writes:

In Inventories, StarBrick writes:

That's what both of you (SylvainLS and 1001bricks) suggest to do IN ORDER
to be able to PROOF it's not the users' error. That's the ridiculous
part of the response both of you add to the discussion.

Read about Science and Magic?
https://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=1456568

"I'm sure there's a problem, but I've no proof of anything"

It's goblins! CAUTION: Do not feed after midnight!

👺☠

Cheers ...

ghyde

Author:

jennnifer

Posted:

Feb 25, 2024 14:20

Subject:

Re: PROBLEM WITH DARK BROWN 3062 ITEM

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In Inventories, minifig_75 writes:

Hey there!
So..** I'm a seller **
I just noticed that all my DARK BROWN 3062 turned into BROWN, AND their prices
changed too, from inventories A & C!!!
It's SO UNBELIEVABLE, I didn't get any mail from the BL team saying there
was a major issue since the variant merge...
Please, has anyone noticed this issue?
are there any other bugs??

Thanks!
Soon

There hasn't been a major issue or there would be a mutiny here on the Forum.
I know it's frustrating to deal with errors in your inventory, but consider
the bigger picture. There are 4,800 Dark Brown 3062 for sale on the site, but
the only problem was with your shop? The number and name were updated on Feb
1. No items were merged.

Take a breath and check your info again. I do hope you find the issue!

~Jen

Author:

1001bricks

Posted:

Feb 25, 2024 14:01

Subject:

Re: PROBLEM WITH DARK BROWN 3062 ITEM

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In Inventories, randyf writes:

In Inventories, 1001bricks writes:

In Inventories, randyf writes:

Sellers should be able to use BrickLink to verify possible errors in their inventories
or keep a daily backup of their inventories, etc.

How could BrickLink verify BrickLink inventory?
I mean, apart normal database rules and tools (atomicity, transactions, backups
with checksums...)

And how could you be sure that BL verification tool is exact, if you already
suspect BL has an Inventory management problem?

And how can you be sure that the third-party verification tool is exact if it
is based on the exact same data that is stored on BrickLink everyday? Your bias
is showing.

Because you've got 2 different data that should show the same state at a
given moment.

Like "This lot exists on BL today", but I can check on my files I never
had it in stock, I never uploaded it, and it's not a renamed or merged lot,
neither an order or item cancellation.

OK, forget it, I give up.

Just say it's a BrickLink problem - which is possible and FAR easier.

http://v4ei.com/comics/strips/zero-controversy.jpg

Author:

randyf

Posted:

Feb 25, 2024 13:50

Subject:

Re: PROBLEM WITH DARK BROWN 3062 ITEM

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In Inventories, 1001bricks writes:

In Inventories, randyf writes:

Sellers should be able to use BrickLink to verify possible errors in their inventories
or keep a daily backup of their inventories, etc.

And how can you be sure that the third-party verification tool is exact if it
is based on the exact same data that is stored on BrickLink everyday? Your bias
is showing.

instead of needing third-party
tools. Simply stated, third party tools should not be a requirement for proper
inventory management and proper checks and balances in the BrickLink software.

If your bank seem to make an error, you don't ask your bank an auto checkup.

Sure, I do. I just did it the other day.

FIRST you take a freaking pen, paper, calculator and you check by yourself, on
some duration so you've have enough data to be sure.

You think I keep all my financial records by pen and paper? What is this, the
1980s?

Yes, external tools, no other proper way.
And it requires some work.

Same way sellers tell me "Keeping the old e-mails? Oh no, I delete them of
course"

Author:

1001bricks

Posted:

Feb 25, 2024 13:39

Subject:

Re: PROBLEM WITH DARK BROWN 3062 ITEM

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In Inventories, randyf writes:

Sellers should be able to use BrickLink to verify possible errors in their inventories
or keep a daily backup of their inventories, etc.

instead of needing third-party
tools. Simply stated, third party tools should not be a requirement for proper
inventory management and proper checks and balances in the BrickLink software.

If your bank seem to make an error, you don't ask your bank an auto checkup.

FIRST you take a freaking pen, paper, calculator and you check by yourself, on
some duration so you've have enough data to be sure.

Yes, external tools, no other proper way.
And it requires some work.

Same way sellers tell me "Keeping the old e-mails? Oh no, I delete them of
course"

Author:

randyf

Posted:

Feb 25, 2024 13:25

Subject:

Re: PROBLEM WITH DARK BROWN 3062 ITEM

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In Inventories, 1001bricks writes:

In Inventories, randyf writes:

The fact that third-party tools are actually needed to operate a functioning
BrickLink store is definitely a BrickLink problem in my book.

The fact you rely on your memory to affirm BrickLink made an error is definitely
an human bias.

I said nothing about what people think or do.

Sellers should be able to use BrickLink to verify possible errors in their inventories
or keep a daily backup of their inventories, etc., instead of needing third-party
tools. Simply stated, third party tools should not be a requirement for proper
inventory management and proper checks and balances in the BrickLink software.

I did hear there were some seller tools coming, though...

Author:

1001bricks

Posted:

Feb 25, 2024 13:08

Subject:

Re: PROBLEM WITH DARK BROWN 3062 ITEM

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In Inventories, StarBrick writes:

That's what both of you (SylvainLS and 1001bricks) suggest to do IN ORDER
to be able to PROOF it's not the users' error. That's the ridiculous
part of the response both of you add to the discussion.

Read about Science and Magic?
https://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=1456568

"I'm sure there's a problem, but I've no proof of anything"

Author:

SylvainLS

Posted:

Feb 25, 2024 13:03

Subject:

Re: PROBLEM WITH DARK BROWN 3062 ITEM

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In Inventories, StarBrick writes:

[…]
And because the merging will be a process that's happening on a daily basis, […]

Once again, this part was not merged:

3062 Brick, Round 1 x 1
Parts: Brick, Round

3062a Brick, Round 1 x 1 - Solid Stud, Bottom Lip
Parts: Brick, Round

Author:

1001bricks

Posted:

Feb 25, 2024 13:02

Subject:

Re: PROBLEM WITH DARK BROWN 3062 ITEM

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In Inventories, randyf writes:

The fact that third-party tools are actually needed to operate a functioning
BrickLink store is definitely a BrickLink problem in my book.

The fact you rely on your memory to affirm BrickLink made an error is definitely
an human bias.

Author:

StarBrick

Posted:

Feb 25, 2024 12:59

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In Inventories, randyf writes:

The fact that third-party tools are actually needed to operate a functioning
BrickLink store is definitely a BrickLink problem in my book.

Thank you

Author:

StarBrick

Posted:

Feb 25, 2024 12:58

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Re: PROBLEM WITH DARK BROWN 3062 ITEM

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I know MOST errors people report are their own fault due to changes they make.
(made some myself over the years for sure

Author:

randyf

Posted:

Feb 25, 2024 12:54

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Re: PROBLEM WITH DARK BROWN 3062 ITEM

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In Inventories, 1001bricks writes:

In Inventories, minifig_75 writes:

Hey there!
So..** I'm a seller **
I just noticed that all my DARK BROWN 3062 turned into BROWN, AND their prices
changed too, from inventories A & C!!!

It's SO UNBELIEVABLE

... that sellers still don't download their Inventory XML everyday and use
BrickStore to compare or restore any problem.

So until then, it's probably not a BrickLink problem.

The fact that third-party tools are actually needed to operate a functioning
BrickLink store is definitely a BrickLink problem in my book.

Author:

1001bricks

Posted:

Feb 25, 2024 12:42

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Re: PROBLEM WITH DARK BROWN 3062 ITEM

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