Redisplay Messages: Compact | Brief | All | Full Show Messages: All | Without Replies| Author: | yorbrick  | | Posted: | Aug 20, 2019 13:15 | | Subject: | Re: Cardboard sleeves in inventories | | Viewed: | 36 times | | Topic: | Inventories | |
| | | Because our partout system is not yet capable of handling subparts, we're
probably not going to be able to add these sleeves to the regular section of
inventories. Maybe if we change the image and description we can do it, but right
now sellers will end up listing things in their store that buyers cannot identify.
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Too late, you are already doing it!
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Why not get the partout system for sellers and buyers to handle it correctly,
then make the changes. As it is, anyone parting out a set with these sleeves
in needs to manually delete each sleeve from the part out, then go back and part
out any sleeves or similar.
Although from the comment above, I assume you don't know that these are already
being added as sleeves rather than as the component parts. If the sleeves are
added but not as regular parts, and the parts are still in the regular section,
then it is fine and easy to ignore. But that isn't the case.
Also parting out as a part doesn't work quite right. You have to select a
colour for the part to be able to part it out, even if you have already selected
Not Applicable as the colour on the part's page before parting out. So this
adds yet another click to the parting out a sleeve process.
Although shouldn't the colour of most of these sleeves be white rather than
not applicable? After all, they are white!
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| Author: | Admin_Russell | | Posted: | Aug 20, 2019 13:10 | | Subject: | Re: Cardboard sleeves in inventories | | Viewed: | 62 times | | Topic: | Inventories | |
| In Inventories, Proprietor writes:
| | In Inventories, Admin_Russell writes:
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| | Because our partout system is not yet capable of handling subparts, we're
probably not going to be able to add these sleeves to the regular section of
inventories. Maybe if we change the image and description we can do it, but right
now sellers will end up listing things in their store that buyers cannot identify.
Please have patience as we make some adjustments.
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And yet, inventories are being changed, and the sleeve is being added as a regular
item and its component parts deleted:
https://www.bricklink.com/catalogInvChangeItem.asp?itemType=S&itemNo=10220-1&viewDate=Y&viewStatus=1
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Yes, there were a number of them done this way yesterday, but we'll probably
need to make an adjustment.
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| Author: | Proprietor | | Posted: | Aug 20, 2019 12:53 | | Subject: | Re: Cardboard sleeves in inventories | | Viewed: | 49 times | | Topic: | Inventories | |
| In Inventories, Admin_Russell writes:
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| | Because our partout system is not yet capable of handling subparts, we're
probably not going to be able to add these sleeves to the regular section of
inventories. Maybe if we change the image and description we can do it, but right
now sellers will end up listing things in their store that buyers cannot identify.
Please have patience as we make some adjustments.
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And yet, inventories are being changed, and the sleeve is being added as a regular
item and its component parts deleted:
https://www.bricklink.com/catalogInvChangeItem.asp?itemType=S&itemNo=10220-1&viewDate=Y&viewStatus=1
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| Author: | Admin_Russell | | Posted: | Aug 20, 2019 12:37 | | Subject: | Re: Cardboard sleeves in inventories | | Viewed: | 67 times | | Topic: | Inventories | |
| In Inventories, hpoort writes:
| | In Inventories, Turez writes:
| | In Inventories, mwright5 writes:
| | Wow! Just seeing that cardboard cape boxes have been added to the catalog.
I usually would prefer to refrain from making a derogatory comment on something
so trivial, but I have to say, that is a new kind of stupid. Give me a break.
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I would not say that it is stupid to have catalog entries for the cardboard sleeves.
It may be helpful to have a reference for them. But adding the whole cardboard
sleeves to set inventories instead of the included parts is something completely
different.
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Understanding the wish for (1) having the sleeves in the catalog and thus the
need to include the in inventories somehow, and (2) leaving the functionality
of the inventories as is, brings me to a simple alternate solution:
Add the sleeves as ALTERNATE to the inventories only.
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This would fall under what is currently described as the counterpart section.
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Similar to
- a part with the sticker applied is alternate (as opposed to the stickersheet
and the plain part)
- a combination of parts that is hard to separate is alternate (as opposed
to the parts that make up the combination)
- the parts that are removed from a sprue (as opposed to the entire sprue)
and thus finally:
- a part still packed within the original sleeve (as opposed to the part without
packaging)
How about this alternative?
Hans-Peter
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| Author: | hpoort | | Posted: | Aug 20, 2019 12:27 | | Subject: | Re: Cardboard sleeves in inventories | | Viewed: | 47 times | | Topic: | Inventories | |
| In Inventories, Turez writes:
| | In Inventories, mwright5 writes:
| | Wow! Just seeing that cardboard cape boxes have been added to the catalog.
I usually would prefer to refrain from making a derogatory comment on something
so trivial, but I have to say, that is a new kind of stupid. Give me a break.
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I would not say that it is stupid to have catalog entries for the cardboard sleeves.
It may be helpful to have a reference for them. But adding the whole cardboard
sleeves to set inventories instead of the included parts is something completely
different.
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Understanding the wish for (1) having the sleeves in the catalog and thus the
need to include the in inventories somehow, and (2) leaving the functionality
of the inventories as is, brings me to a simple alternate solution:
Add the sleeves as ALTERNATE to the inventories only.
Similar to
- a part with the sticker applied is alternate (as opposed to the stickersheet
and the plain part)
- a combination of parts that is hard to separate is alternate (as opposed
to the parts that make up the combination)
- the parts that are removed from a sprue (as opposed to the entire sprue)
and thus finally:
- a part still packed within the original sleeve (as opposed to the part without
packaging)
How about this alternative?
Hans-Peter
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| Author: | Admin_Russell | | Posted: | Aug 20, 2019 12:18 | | Subject: | Re: Cardboard sleeves in inventories | | Viewed: | 87 times | | Topic: | Inventories | |
| In Inventories, Turez writes:
Folks, if anything is going to improve in the catalog, we need to give some freedom
and grace to our admins so they can try things out. I can understand if people
get frustrated when they find something has changed and it no longer works for
them, but please understand that we have the long-term interests of the site
in mind, and also that we can adjust and/or reverse any decision that is made.
Regarding these sleeves, we have needed to add them to the catalog for quite
a while now, because of the need to search by the number printed on the sleeve.
Strictly speaking, this is not a PCC, but it's still a number people can
use for reference. Specifically, we want to give the ability to sellers to sell
the parts in the sleeves without having to open the sleeves. The only way they
can do this is to have a reference database showing the contents of every sleeve.
Because our partout system is not yet capable of handling subparts, we're
probably not going to be able to add these sleeves to the regular section of
inventories. Maybe if we change the image and description we can do it, but right
now sellers will end up listing things in their store that buyers cannot identify.
Please have patience as we make some adjustments.
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| Author: | Hygrotus | | Posted: | Aug 20, 2019 09:21 | | Subject: | Re: Cardboard sleeves in inventories | | Viewed: | 49 times | | Topic: | Inventories | |
| In Inventories, Turez writes:
| | I would not say that it is stupid to have catalog entries for the cardboard sleeves.
It may be helpful to have a reference for them.
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And that was the idea to add them. We will be the only site which keeps their
references and documenting them.
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| Author: | Turez | | Posted: | Aug 20, 2019 08:38 | | Subject: | Re: Cardboard sleeves in inventories | | Viewed: | 47 times | | Topic: | Inventories | |
| In Inventories, mwright5 writes:
| | Wow! Just seeing that cardboard cape boxes have been added to the catalog.
I usually would prefer to refrain from making a derogatory comment on something
so trivial, but I have to say, that is a new kind of stupid. Give me a break.
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I would not say that it is stupid to have catalog entries for the cardboard sleeves.
It may be helpful to have a reference for them. But adding the whole cardboard
sleeves to set inventories instead of the included parts is something completely
different.
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| Author: | yorbrick | | Posted: | Aug 20, 2019 08:16 | | Subject: | Re: Cardboard sleeves in inventories | | Viewed: | 45 times | | Topic: | Inventories | |
| | | Wow! Just seeing that cardboard cape boxes have been added to the catalog.
I usually would prefer to refrain from making a derogatory comment on something
so trivial, but I have to say, that is a new kind of stupid. Give me a break.
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It is truly bizarre. There is this sleeve, for example:
which contains two minifigure capes. However, this sleeve which is called "Cardboard
Sleeve for Set 70837" doesn't actually appear in set 70837 since it contains
minifigure parts, which are listed with the minifigures. So we now have an entry
for a part that is not included in any sets and so is unlikely to ever be listed
in that way.
Then we have the same where the sleeves contain a single cape, for example:
Again it doesn't belong to any sets despite the name, since it belongs to
a minifigure.
It seems to be a case of making a rule then insisting on sticking to it for all
parts and sets, no matter how stupid the application of the rule is.
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| Author: | mwright5 | | Posted: | Aug 20, 2019 07:55 | | Subject: | Re: Cardboard sleeves in inventories | | Viewed: | 50 times | | Topic: | Inventories | |
| In Inventories, Turez writes:
Wow! Just seeing that cardboard cape boxes have been added to the catalog.
I usually would prefer to refrain from making a derogatory comment on something
so trivial, but I have to say, that is a new kind of stupid. Give me a break.
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| Author: | yorbrick | | Posted: | Aug 20, 2019 07:51 | | Subject: | Re: Cardboard sleeves in inventories | | Viewed: | 40 times | | Topic: | Inventories | |
| | | Is there any demand to purchase open, empty cardboard sleeves?
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I don't think you can buy the empty sleeve because as soon as you open it,
you have the parts inside but the sleeve itself is not in the inventory of the
sleeve. Just as a sprue contains parts on it but not the sprue itself, a sleeve
does not contain the sleeve once opened. There is no listing for the sleeve only,
only a full (unopened) sleeve.
However, I guess some sellers will open the sleeves to check the parts inside
and sell them as new with "opened" in the comments. Although I imagine the parts
will sell better than the parts in the sleeve*. It would also be possible to
list the sleeve with comments saying "no parts inside, just the sleeve" if someone
really wanted to sell just the sleeve.
* This is where there might be a problem for wants lists. I imagine most people
putting a set together want the parts, not the parts in the sleeves. However,
parting the set out to a wants list (or parting out when selling) defaults to
the user wanting the parts in a sleeve and so they may well miss sellers that
have the parts that they want as they don't have them in the sleeve. It is
the problem of having multiple entries for the same part (or parts) just differing
in whether they are in some sort of useless packaging.
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| Author: | TallyToyBricks | | Posted: | Aug 20, 2019 06:54 | | Subject: | Re: Cardboard sleeves in inventories | | Viewed: | 63 times | | Topic: | Inventories | |
| Like other have stated, this is not a really good idea.
I ran into this issue last night while trying to lookup some unsorted parts.
It just adds more steps to find an item.
Is there any demand to purchase open, empty cardboard sleeves?
This gets to the whole issue of Bricklink as a commerce platform versus Bricklink
as the unofficial catalog of all things LEGO. Making the catalog side more complicated
(or less intuitive) does not help the commerce side. Perhaps the commerce side
should take precedence in these type of situations.
Joe
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| Author: | yorbrick | | Posted: | Aug 20, 2019 05:59 | | Subject: | Re: Cardboard sleeves in inventories | | Viewed: | 45 times | | Topic: | Inventories | |
| This will also screw about with the price guide and wants lists, with decisions
about how to sell the part in the sleeve.
Do you sell a single part in a cardboard sleeve or do you sell it as the part?
These are two different entries with two different price guides.
It is like sets that contain a single part or minifigure - just introducing more
difficulty for users to sell / find what they want.
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| Author: | Hurt | | Posted: | Aug 20, 2019 05:46 | | Subject: | Re: Cardboard sleeves in inventories | | Viewed: | 45 times | | Topic: | Inventories | |
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| Author: | yorbrick | | Posted: | Aug 20, 2019 05:39 | | Subject: | Re: Cardboard sleeves in inventories | | Viewed: | 41 times | | Topic: | Inventories | |
| Also it seems parting out sets is now broken. Will there be an option added (like
break sets in set) to break parts in sleeves / multipacks? Selecting break sets
in set does not open up the multipacks or sleeves.
Try parting out a set, and the only option seems to be to list the sleeve, not
is what is actually in the sleeve. To list the parts you now need to do that
manually.
This is a really bad decision, Bricklink! BL should make things easier for sellers
to sell parts, not make it increasingly difficult.
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| Author: | yorbrick | | Posted: | Aug 20, 2019 05:34 | | Subject: | Re: Cardboard sleeves in inventories | | Viewed: | 59 times | | Topic: | Inventories | |
| In Inventories, Turez writes:
There is also an issue with the naming. For example:
is currently called "Cardboard Sleeve for Sets 60051, 60052". It has exactly
the same name as
But what happens when more sets come along that use this sleeve? They need to
be added to the part description. Why not just call it "Cardboard Sleeve 4580966"
removing the set names?
already has five set numbers in the name, what will the limit be? If it appears
in 100 sets, will they all be named in the description?
And isn't a natural extension of this to catalogue, for example, bag 1 from
set XXXX, bag 2 from set XXXX, and so on (where these bags do not contain any
minifigure parts)? After all, that is how LEGO supplies them in a set. They are
not individual parts in a box, they are multiple parts in a defined bag in a
box. How big does a bag have to be before it is no longer a multipack? So when
a set contains a small bag of 1x1 parts in a larger bag, is that now considered
a multipack or is it the parts in a bag?
And what about instructions when they are supplied with a sticker sheet inside
a polythene bag and a piece of card? Is that a cardboard sleeve / multipack or
just the instructions and a sticker sheet?
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| Author: | Hurt | | Posted: | Aug 20, 2019 05:24 | | Subject: | Re: Cardboard sleeves in inventories | | Viewed: | 65 times | | Topic: | Inventories | |
| Wow, who thought that this is a good idea and why?
By the way - many sets came with labeled plastic bags (like "1", "2", "3", etc.)
- let's add them as well and move all parts that are in it to the bag item
instead of the set. But don't forget that there are even smaller bags in
the big bags, those need to be listed as well (inside the big bag, containing
the correct parts of course)!
Sorry, this is just ...
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| Author: | qwertyboy | | Posted: | Aug 19, 2019 22:12 | | Subject: | Re: Weird order/inventory problem | | Viewed: | 37 times | | Topic: | Inventories | |
| In Inventories, C0lsanders_ writes:
| | I have 2 (particular) orders received, only 208 difference by order number. First
order, guy buys 60 of a part. I have "Quantity left" enabled, and it says 0 left.
The next order, another guy buys 10 of the that same part, which he of course
shouldn't be able to do. Also says 0 left. I find in filling these, I do
have only the 60. What might have gone wrong? Both sets of parts in carts at
the same time, maybe?
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You might know this, but just in case -
The "quantity left" will show what you have left right now, not what was left
when the order was placed. So looking at the current "quantity left" on both
orders won't tell you anything.
Niek.
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| Author: | C0lsanders_ | | Posted: | Aug 19, 2019 21:37 | | Subject: | Weird order/inventory problem | | Viewed: | 87 times | | Topic: | Inventories | | Status: | Open | |
| I have 2 (particular) orders received, only 208 difference by order number. First
order, guy buys 60 of a part. I have "Quantity left" enabled, and it says 0 left.
The next order, another guy buys 10 of the that same part, which he of course
shouldn't be able to do. Also says 0 left. I find in filling these, I do
have only the 60. What might have gone wrong? Both sets of parts in carts at
the same time, maybe?
Thanks,
Miles (C0lsanders_)
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| Author: | Teup | | Posted: | Aug 18, 2019 10:39 | | Subject: | Re: Specific Lots -> Specific Countries | | Viewed: | 17 times | | Topic: | Inventories | |
| In Inventories, WhiteHorseMatt writes:
| | In Inventories, Cheshire_Bricks writes:
| | Hi,
Just wondering if you're able to make specific lots only available to specific
countries?
I'm looking to sell some sets but I want to set them to UK only (if you can
do this then how?)
Thank you in advance for any help!
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How about manually setting the dimensions of the sets to something huge, and
then allocating a postage method for that size that's UK only. And adding
something in the comments to that effect as well.
Matt
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The part will still show up in the listings however, together with a "seller
ships to me" message. It's clever but it also kind of breaks the Bricklink
interface.
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| Author: | WhiteHorseMatt | | Posted: | Aug 18, 2019 10:12 | | Subject: | Re: Specific Lots -> Specific Countries | | Viewed: | 24 times | | Topic: | Inventories | |
| In Inventories, Cheshire_Bricks writes:
| | Hi,
Just wondering if you're able to make specific lots only available to specific
countries?
I'm looking to sell some sets but I want to set them to UK only (if you can
do this then how?)
Thank you in advance for any help!
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How about manually setting the dimensions of the sets to something huge, and
then allocating a postage method for that size that's UK only. And adding
something in the comments to that effect as well.
Matt
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| Author: | Brickwilbo | | Posted: | Aug 18, 2019 09:06 | | Subject: | Re: Specific Lots -> Specific Countries | | Viewed: | 22 times | | Topic: | Inventories | |
| In Inventories, Cheshire_Bricks writes:
| | Hi,
Just wondering if you're able to make specific lots only available to specific
countries?
I'm looking to sell some sets but I want to set them to UK only (if you can
do this then how?)
Thank you in advance for any help!
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It's not possible to differentiate.
In theory you could describe the item as for UK only and mark the item for manual
invoice and cancel orders with the item from other countries.
It would probably lead to issues, because many people don't read. You'll
get a discussion if it's a valid order.
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| Author: | Minifig_Central | | Posted: | Aug 18, 2019 04:49 | | Subject: | Specific Lots -> Specific Countries | | Viewed: | 43 times | | Topic: | Inventories | | Status: | Open | |
| Hi,
Just wondering if you're able to make specific lots only available to specific
countries?
I'm looking to sell some sets but I want to set them to UK only (if you can
do this then how?)
Thank you in advance for any help!
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