Redisplay Messages: Compact | Brief | All | Full Show Messages: All | Without Replies| Author: | StormChaser  | | Posted: | Nov 27, 2018 05:26 | | Subject: | Re: Something I Just Threw Together - Updated | | Viewed: | 33 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, yorbrick writes:
| | It is definitely looking a lot better. Although this one still confuses me:
Minifigure-Scale Character Figure
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This is my third reply to this post. Perhaps if I had read it more carefully,
then I could have saved some ones and zeros.
Your question here was about policy and I have answered it.
| | Minifigure-Scale Brick Built Figure
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Your question here was about actual inconsistencies in the additional figure
types I added at your request. I can see what you mean about inconsistencies
and I agree. So, what would you suggest to correct these inconsistencies?
I think the easiest distinction would be between specially-molded figures and
brick-built figures - this would remove having a separate item type for character
figures. Does that sound right?
BTW, did you see that I made the pictures bigger and added little frames around
each photo? I thought it looked better.
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| Author: | StormChaser | | Posted: | Nov 27, 2018 05:07 | | Subject: | Re: Something I Just Threw Together - Updated | | Viewed: | 38 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, yorbrick writes:
| | But what about Scooby Doo and Santa's Little Helper, and other similar characters.
Are they animals or figures? After all, Angry Birds are birds, which are animals.
Cartoon animals that are characters. Just like Scooby Doo and Sant's Little
Helper are cartoon dogs.
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Since you've spent some time thinking about this, I don't want to just
brush you off as I sort of did in what I just posted. The answer to this is
that there has never been a written definition of minifigures. This explains
the inconsistency of some figures being considered parts and others considered
figures. It also explains member frustration when some figures have been allowed
and others denied.
In the past, what was and was not a figure was decided on unwritten rules according
to the preferences of the person deciding. One of the self-imposed tasks I face
is ending this practice and creating written rules so that we're all on the
same page. You'll notice that a number of catalog projects mention this.
Until such time as we have written rules, there is not much point in discussing
what should or should not be a figure and until we have the ability to sort figures
by type, if we ever have it, then there is not much point in going into the minutiae
of different types.
I encourage you to keep thinking about these things, though, because when I get
to rulemaking I will open the rules for discussion and possible modification
before they're implemented (something which has rarely happened in the past).
I look forward to your input then.
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| Author: | yorbrick | | Posted: | Nov 27, 2018 04:59 | | Subject: | Re: Something I Just Threw Together - Updated | | Viewed: | 31 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| | | Until then, I hope you are able to somehow locate the ability to be pleased that
I volunteered my time to make a list in the first place. 
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And yes, I am pleased that someone with at least a little power has started this.
The whole catalogue is a bit of a mess since it is so rigid, but the Minifigures
category in particular has started to be full of inconsistencies (either what
is in or what is out) since it has not moved with the times.
A number of mere mortals have flagged up many inconsistencies in the past, and
normally all are shot down as "the catalog doesn't work like that". When
really the catalog should work for the users, not work based on decade old unwritten
rules.
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| Author: | yorbrick | | Posted: | Nov 27, 2018 04:56 | | Subject: | Re: Something I Just Threw Together - Updated | | Viewed: | 31 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, StormChaser writes:
| | In Catalog, yorbrick writes:
| | This is why I think the definitions of each category need to be considered carefully
so that inconsistencies do not appear.
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I do appreciate your feedback and you can see that I incorporated some of it
into the page, but again, these are not category definitions. They change nothing
in the catalog. We haven't the ability to sort figures by what type they
are. If we ever do have that ability, then we can have a serious discussion.
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Is this not the first step in that process, even if being done unofficially?
If these become accepted Bricklink definitions, then there would clearly be a
hangover from this list into any new sorting of figures. If it is not the first
step, then what is the point of this page? You said it could move into the Catalog
Help Center. It is showing people how to define or classify many different types
of figures, but if these terms cannot be used on bricklink to find what someone
is after, how does it actually help? If anything it will be confusing to tell
people that such and such is a XXX type of figure, then XXX is not used anywhere
else on BL.
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| Author: | StormChaser | | Posted: | Nov 27, 2018 04:45 | | Subject: | Re: Something I Just Threw Together - Updated | | Viewed: | 40 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, yorbrick writes:
| | This is why I think the definitions of each category need to be considered carefully
so that inconsistencies do not appear.
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I do appreciate your feedback and you can see that I incorporated some of it
into the page, but again, these are not category definitions. They change nothing
in the catalog. We haven't the ability to sort figures by what type they
are. If we ever do have that ability, then we can have a serious discussion.
Until then, I hope you are able to somehow locate the ability to be pleased that
I volunteered my time to make a list in the first place.
I believe you may have missed the disclaimer at the beginning of the description
of this list:
. . . figure types should not be considered definitive.
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| Author: | yorbrick | | Posted: | Nov 27, 2018 04:29 | | Subject: | Re: Something I Just Threw Together - Updated | | Viewed: | 40 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, StormChaser writes:
| | I have read your suggestions, took them to heart, and updated the page:
https://www.bricklink.com/help.asp?helpID=88
I added three new types close to the beginning and added a disclaimer that this
is only an experimental project. The purpose of the framework on that page is
to gauge desirability. If members want to keep this list and BrickLink agrees
to keep it, then it will be improved with better descriptions, better photos,
and better ordering of the entries on the list (possibly by chronological order?).
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It is definitely looking a lot better. Although this one still confuses me:
Minifigure-Scale Character Figure - This is a minifigure-scale character figure.
The BrickLink catalog includes a number of unconventional figures like this.
Rick from the Unikitty! theme, for example, is a single 2 x 3 brick with a printed
face.
Will this contain all minifigure-scale character figures? Angry Birds are understandable.
But what about Scooby Doo and Santa's Little Helper, and other similar characters.
Are they animals or figures? After all, Angry Birds are birds, which are animals.
Cartoon animals that are characters. Just like Scooby Doo and Sant's Little
Helper are cartoon dogs.
Minifigure-Scale Brick Built Figure - This is a minifigure-scale brick built
figure. There are an array of different styles and sizes of figures in various
themes.
As above, do brick built animals like TLM snail go in here (presumably Unikitty
will). Also Rick from Unikitty! is mentioned above as a minifigure scale character
figure. I would have thought he has more in common with Unikitty than with Angry
Birds, as he is made out of standard LEGO bricks (it just happens to be one brick)
rather than an unconventional molded part.
It will also lead to inconsistencies, as for example, these two will be in different
categories:
The first has already been defined as above to be a Minifigure-Scale Character
Figure, yet the second is clearly brick built so must be a Minifigure-Scale Brick
Built Figure.
This is why I think the definitions of each category need to be considered carefully
so that inconsistencies do not appear.
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| Author: | Hygrotus | | Posted: | Nov 27, 2018 03:04 | | Subject: | Re: Seventh Catalog Project - Action Plan | | Viewed: | 29 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, Hygrotus writes:
| | I will only check it again if nothing left and if no the same names after last
bunch of changes will be approved.
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So two slipped  also 9 should have small corections to names and that's
it.
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| Author: | Admin_Russell | | Posted: | Nov 27, 2018 02:46 | | Subject: | Re: Unofficial LEGO color guide | | Viewed: | 65 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, pikachu3 writes:
| | In Catalog, Nordbart writes:
| | In Catalog, Abels_Bricks writes:
| | I did read the reviews but I managed to get it new from amazon for £6.07 hardcover,
I wanted it for the color definitions and general info not really for the photos.
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Did you know about this site?
http://ryanhowerter.net/colors.html
nordbart
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It's not a terrible book (and I think he has a new edition coming with better
printing), but he doesn't credit the people who worked to research and compile
this color data in the first place.  It's nifty that he used a colorimeter
but the rest of the information is freely available online.
I can't complain too much, it's not as if I've updated my own list
recently. Need to get on that...
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If there is a new edition in the works, I would encourage the author to proofread
ALL the reference numbers in the book. There are four different numbering systems
used, and the current edition looks as if there were substantial changes made
to one part of the book (the part with all the photos) without updating some
of the reference pages (the color group comparisons at the beginning).
For example, if you look up Orange on p. 7, it says "Bright Orange 40". "40"
does not correspond to any number for Orange - it is not a BrickLink ID or LEGO
ID, not an Unofficial Color Guide ID, or an Unofficial Color Guide page number.
It would also help to remove all BrickLink Color ID numbers. The only purpose
they have is to show the order in which the colors were added to the catalog.
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| Author: | CPgolfaddict | | Posted: | Nov 27, 2018 01:14 | | Subject: | Re: Something I Just Threw Together | | Viewed: | 33 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| A lot of catalog issues would be easier to resolve if you could have multiple
relationships between the various catalog entities.
Minifigs could be assigned a theme category (as is today) AND some other physical
category like what is being proposed. AND... you could also leave the existing
theme structure alone while adding the physical category. Mini vs. micro vs.
statue etc.
This is a common catalog structure in eCommerce systems because people approach
finding products from different perspectives. A relationship should be thought
of as a distinct data entity in the catalog/dB.
Item - Item
Item - Item Type
Item - Category
Category - Category
Category - Item Type
etc.
It would take some work. But the long term benefit is the easier delivery of
future catalog features.
BTW... Figures is fine.
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| Author: | SylvainLS | | Posted: | Nov 26, 2018 23:22 | | Subject: | Re: Something I Just Threw Together - Updated | | Viewed: | 31 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, StormChaser writes:
| | I have read your suggestions, took them to heart, and updated the page:
https://www.bricklink.com/help.asp?helpID=88
I added three new types close to the beginning and added a disclaimer that this
is only an experimental project. The purpose of the framework on that page is
to gauge desirability. If members want to keep this list and BrickLink agrees
to keep it, then it will be improved with better descriptions, better photos,
and better ordering of the entries on the list (possibly by chronological order?).
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Chronogical order and something like “discontinued,” or more simply the era /
production years next to the title.
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| Author: | randyf | | Posted: | Nov 26, 2018 23:05 | | Subject: | Re: Something I Just Threw Together - Updated | | Viewed: | 32 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, StormChaser writes:
| | I have read your suggestions, took them to heart, and updated the page:
https://www.bricklink.com/help.asp?helpID=88
I added three new types close to the beginning and added a disclaimer that this
is only an experimental project. The purpose of the framework on that page is
to gauge desirability. If members want to keep this list and BrickLink agrees
to keep it, then it will be improved with better descriptions, better photos,
and better ordering of the entries on the list (possibly by chronological order?).
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I like what I am seeing, Robert, and I think the page could be a fantastic resource
for all users if kept available. As much as I know about the catalog, it is still
fascinating to see all these types of figures on one page and *not* have to leave
BrickLink to find it!
I also like the suggestion of moving away from "Minifigure" as an item type in
favor of "Figure". Even if "Figure" is not perfect, it is much better than "Minifigure",
and the page you have created makes that point very clearly.
However, Niek brought up a lot of good points about how changing the item type
name could lead to a bunch of unforeseen consequences behind the scenes, and
I am in total agreement with him. We have no idea what a change like this could
do throughout the entire website. I would definitely run this by the development
team before even asking for that name to be changed as there are undoubtedly
a large number of unknown pages, forms, database queries, stored procedures,
etc. that reference that item type.
Thanks for all of your hard work.
Cheers,
Randy
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| Author: | StormChaser | | Posted: | Nov 26, 2018 20:51 | | Subject: | Re: Something I Just Threw Together - Updated | | Viewed: | 50 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| I have read your suggestions, took them to heart, and updated the page:
https://www.bricklink.com/help.asp?helpID=88
I added three new types close to the beginning and added a disclaimer that this
is only an experimental project. The purpose of the framework on that page is
to gauge desirability. If members want to keep this list and BrickLink agrees
to keep it, then it will be improved with better descriptions, better photos,
and better ordering of the entries on the list (possibly by chronological order?).
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| Author: | legoman77 | | Posted: | Nov 26, 2018 20:40 | | Subject: | Re: Something I Just Threw Together | | Viewed: | 43 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, StormChaser writes:
| | In my continual quest to make your lives marginally better, I have just now put
together a list with photos of the different types of figures the LEGO Group
has produced over the years.
This list is not yet official and will change. It will have more detailed descriptions
of figures and hopefully better photos. It will also move from the current location
to an unknown location in the Catalog Help Center section. Or, of course, it
could also get shot down.
I have also asked that the item type Minifigs be retitled to Figures
in light of the wide range of figures of all different sizes we include in this
one section - no word on if this will happen or not. So the six item types would
be:
Sets
Parts
Figures
Books
Catalogs
Gear
This is truly a sneak peak for everyone - the people at the BrickLink office
haven't even seen it yet:
https://www.bricklink.com/help.asp?helpID=88
Your thoughts on this list and the item type retitle? Do you find this list
of figure types useful or is it something not needed?
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Here is something I just threw together.
John P
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| Author: | StormChaser | | Posted: | Nov 26, 2018 20:01 | | Subject: | Re: Something I Just Threw Together | | Viewed: | 32 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, Rainey writes:
| | I like it! It just helped me learn a few things! I do think that you need to
get rid of the repeat after the title though.
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That part is just a placeholder. It will be filled in with further information
about each kind of figure if we decide to keep this as a permanent catalog feature.
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| Author: | MontagueBrick | | Posted: | Nov 26, 2018 19:39 | | Subject: | Re: Something I Just Threw Together | | Viewed: | 38 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, StormChaser writes:
| | In my continual quest to make your lives marginally better, I have just now put
together a list with photos of the different types of figures the LEGO Group
has produced over the years.
This list is not yet official and will change. It will have more detailed descriptions
of figures and hopefully better photos. It will also move from the current location
to an unknown location in the Catalog Help Center section. Or, of course, it
could also get shot down.
I have also asked that the item type Minifigs be retitled to Figures
in light of the wide range of figures of all different sizes we include in this
one section - no word on if this will happen or not. So the six item types would
be:
Sets
Parts
Figures
Books
Catalogs
Gear
This is truly a sneak peak for everyone - the people at the BrickLink office
haven't even seen it yet:
https://www.bricklink.com/help.asp?helpID=88
Your thoughts on this list and the item type retitle? Do you find this list
of figure types useful or is it something not needed?
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I like it! It just helped me learn a few things! I do think that you need to
get rid of the repeat after the title though.
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| Author: | mfav | | Posted: | Nov 26, 2018 19:03 | | Subject: | Re: Something I Just Threw Together | | Viewed: | 33 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, StormChaser writes:
| | The problem is that once we get them there we have no easy way to find the specific
kind of figure you're looking for. They're all mixed together and only
sorted by theme. There is currently discussion behind the scenes on how we can
better sort figures and I have suggested that figure type be given consideration
as one way of sorting.
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Have them let you edit the HTML and it'll all be good. Barring editing the
HTML in conjunction with these other changes...well, it'll be difficult enough
to achieve the desired outcome being able to edit HTML with the db. Just editing
the db alone will be...more difficult by a lot.
If you can edit that, I say do it right away.
But this is another of those obscure pages that's not readily located, as
are most of the informational pages. Buried. Somewhere or other.
And another instance where the pertinent information is divorced from the label.
Like having the bottle of medicine, but having to drive to the factory to find
out how to use it correctly. If you can find the factory.
| | You see the item name change as the last step and I see it as the first step,
so perhaps it's just a difference of opinion.
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I don't think it's a difference of opinion. It's a difference of
perspective, and now you've provided some of that. So thank you.
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| Author: | StormChaser | | Posted: | Nov 26, 2018 18:27 | | Subject: | Re: Something I Just Threw Together | | Viewed: | 43 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, mfav writes:
| | It's differently inaccurate. And as I've stated elsewhere, it has the potential to create confusion with regards to the half-dozen or so other "figures" which are in the catalog but not in this section. Not asking you to agree, but asking do you get the point I'm putting forward.
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I absolutely do get your point. I agree that we would be wise to include all
figures of all sizes in the same place. We already do include nearly all of
them in the same place and that place is Minifigs. Some we don't and those
are the ones which you're concerned about.
The problem is that once we get them there we have no easy way to find the specific
kind of figure you're looking for. They're all mixed together and only
sorted by theme. There is currently discussion behind the scenes on how we can
better sort figures and I have suggested that figure type be given consideration
as one way of sorting.
| | But isn't that what good labelling *should* do? Isn't the point to accurately
define which items are included?
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Yes, and the place for that is here:
https://www.bricklink.com/help.asp?helpID=170
An item type is simply a quick and dirty method of splitting things. We only
have six item types and we will not get any more.
An item type is simply not the place for any kind of specific definition and
the current title indicates that only minifigures are housed there when, in fact,
we put nearly all figures there. Figures is a more inclusive title and thus,
more accurate. The ways in which the word Figures is inaccurate stem from policies,
and policies can be changed.
| | So if it already doesn't accurately define what's in there, why change
it so it doesn't accurately define what's in there?
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Because the change would be from less accuracy to perfect accuracy provided
that additional changes were made to what was included or what should be included
in this item type. You want those changes made first, but I think we must first
start with reconsidering the idea that this section is only for minifigures.
Clearly, it already is not.
You see the item name change as the last step and I see it as the first step,
so perhaps it's just a difference of opinion.
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| Author: | axaday | | Posted: | Nov 26, 2018 17:47 | | Subject: | Re: Seventh Catalog Project - Action Plan | | Viewed: | 34 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, axaday writes:
I didn't use a fine comb, but it looks like the orphaned ones
| | are pretty much all Marked for Deletion or super-exclusives.
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And I lot of Duplo figures. I don't know what is up with those.
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| Author: | mfav | | Posted: | Nov 26, 2018 17:46 | | Subject: | Re: Something I Just Threw Together | | Viewed: | 40 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In my ongoing effort to make your life marginally crazier...
In Catalog, StormChaser writes:
| | In Catalog, mfav writes:
| | I'm not sure the StormChaser has clearly articulated the reason for relabelling the section, why he finds the current labelling problematic, and what the intended result of the renaming is supposed to achieve.
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I apologize for not doing this. I will address all three of these below, but
the most important point to understand is this: the only change which would occur
is to remove Mini from Figures.
What is the reason for renaming this item type?
I have asked for a name change because the current name does not accurately describe
the contents of this section of the catalog.
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Good reason.
| | Why is the current labelling problematic?
The label Minifigs is not accurate because in this item type we include many
different sizes of figures which vary in size from tiny to vary large. We also
include a range of different styles of figures at these different scales.
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I agree it is not accurate.
But the question is "why is it problematic?" You've stated it's inaccurate,
but how is it a problem? People can't find things they're looking for
in this section? It causes a me to irritate you with questions like this? What's
the problem?
How does changing it to "Figures" which is similarly but differently inaccurate
resolve the issue?
| | What is the intended result of renaming this section?
| | Renaming from Minifigs to Figures would present a more accurate picture of what
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users can expect to find in this item type and that is the intended result.
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I'm simply not convinced that it will present a more accurate picture of
what users can expect to find in this space. I argue that Figures is no more
or less accurate than Minifigures in this position. It's differently inaccurate.
And as I've stated elsewhere, it has the potential to create confusion with
regards to the half-dozen or so other "figures" which are in the catalog but
not in this section.
Not asking you to agree, but asking do you get the point I'm putting forward.
I've not seen it stated, but if you intend to move ALL the other "figures"
into the section, then I don't have any further argument with "Figures" as
a label. I only have an issue if some figures are in the section and some
figures are not in the section.
| | This name change is not intended to and will not define which items are included
in this section.
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But isn't that what good labelling *should* do? Isn't the point to accurately
define which items are included?
Seems to me your statement of the problem at question 1
| | current name does not accurately describe the contents of this section
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is the same as your statement of the solution at question 3
| | name change...will not define which items are included in this section.
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So if it already doesn't accurately define what's in there, why change
it so it doesn't accurately define what's in there?
Sorry. Sorry to make you crazy. I just don't grasp the benefit to the site
visitor. I get the intention, but think the execution is flawed.
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| Author: | superchicken77 | | Posted: | Nov 26, 2018 17:45 | | Subject: | Re: Something I Just Threw Together | | Viewed: | 40 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| I haven't read all the replies so I apologize if it's been said, but
instead of a picture of each, maybe one picture of each group through the years
with a timeline?
For example, original minifig 1975, modern minifigure 1978. Like the image found
here, but for each category (duplo, hero factory etc.)
http://b1creative.com/blog/the-history-of-the-lego-minifigure/
In Catalog, StormChaser writes:
| | In my continual quest to make your lives marginally better, I have just now put
together a list with photos of the different types of figures the LEGO Group
has produced over the years.
This list is not yet official and will change. It will have more detailed descriptions
of figures and hopefully better photos. It will also move from the current location
to an unknown location in the Catalog Help Center section. Or, of course, it
could also get shot down.
I have also asked that the item type Minifigs be retitled to Figures
in light of the wide range of figures of all different sizes we include in this
one section - no word on if this will happen or not. So the six item types would
be:
Sets
Parts
Figures
Books
Catalogs
Gear
This is truly a sneak peak for everyone - the people at the BrickLink office
haven't even seen it yet:
https://www.bricklink.com/help.asp?helpID=88
Your thoughts on this list and the item type retitle? Do you find this list
of figure types useful or is it something not needed?
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| Author: | axaday | | Posted: | Nov 26, 2018 17:43 | | Subject: | Re: Seventh Catalog Project - Action Plan | | Viewed: | 33 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, Hygrotus writes:
| | In Catalog, axaday writes:
| | In Catalog, Hygrotus writes:
| | From whole SW category this one stays for now without change
[m=sw388]
it is not connected still to any inventory.
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Is there a search tool for orphaned minifigs? I found two in my work on this
project and tried to stay alert to it, but it would be good to double check now
that we are done.
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Here it is
https://www.bricklink.com/catalogListOld.asp?v=3&noIn=Y&catType=M
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Okay, I just put in a request to fix one that I shouldn't have removed the
number from. I didn't use a fine comb, but it looks like the orphaned ones
are pretty much all Marked for Deletion or super-exclusives.
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| Author: | StormChaser | | Posted: | Nov 26, 2018 17:37 | | Subject: | Seventh Catalog Project - Complete So Soon? | | Viewed: | 43 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| Wow, it's hard to believe that we accomplished this in just two days. Very
impressive work, everyone! We are finished with this, right?
One of the benefits of the change logs is that it gives us a picture of how many
figures had set/gear/book numbers in their titles. This is not precise because
it was necessary to change some existing titles to avoid confusion, but I believe
I have accounted for the differences.
So, roughly, we can say that around 2,100 figures had other item numbers in their
titles and those have now been removed. The total number of affected figures
was about one fifth of all the figures in the catalog.
I feel pretty good about this change because, as those of you who have done the
actual work have seen, set numbers were a lazy way out of usefully describing
figures so that people could find them (and, honestly, figure names are, too).
I point no fingers, because I have added many figures to the catalog and only
described them with a brief name and a set number.
Anyway, if we're done with all the categories, then I'll put this project
to rest in the Completed Projects section of the catalog roadmap. We still need
to check for duplicate titles and orphaned figures, but that shouldn't take
much more work.
Thanks again to everyone who made this happen.
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| Author: | Hygrotus | | Posted: | Nov 26, 2018 17:03 | | Subject: | Re: Seventh Catalog Project - Action Plan | | Viewed: | 33 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, axaday writes:
| | In Catalog, Hygrotus writes:
| | From whole SW category this one stays for now without change
[m=sw388]
it is not connected still to any inventory.
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Is there a search tool for orphaned minifigs? I found two in my work on this
project and tried to stay alert to it, but it would be good to double check now
that we are done.
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Here it is
https://www.bricklink.com/catalogListOld.asp?v=3&noIn=Y&catType=M
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| Author: | axaday | | Posted: | Nov 26, 2018 16:59 | | Subject: | Re: Seventh Catalog Project - Action Plan | | Viewed: | 24 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, Hygrotus writes:
| | From whole SW category this one stays for now without change
[m=sw388]
it is not connected still to any inventory.
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Is there a search tool for orphaned minifigs? I found two in my work on this
project and tried to stay alert to it, but it would be good to double check now
that we are done.
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| Author: | qwertyboy | | Posted: | Nov 26, 2018 16:59 | | Subject: | Re: Something I Just Threw Together | | Viewed: | 42 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| From what I understand, you want to rename the catalog section "Minifigs" to
"Figures", correct?
I obviously can't see what is happening in the back end of BL - renaming
the item type might be simple. Then again, it might be a pretty major undertaking,
depending on how it is coded. One thing that would break is the relationship
between the item type and the one-letter-identification that is used throughout
BL. For the forum, adding a nice little reference to a catalog item for a minifig
requires you to type "[M=blahblah]". Renaming the type to "Figure" _might_ cause
it to become "[F=blahblah]". Furthermore, images on BL are pointed to using the
same one-letter-identification. The relationship between item types and the one-letter-identification
might break, or it might be OK.
In short, I think this kind of change would need some dev eyes on the code. Remember
what happened a month or so ago - the breaking of store inventories - that would
pale in comparison if the code is not all that flexible set up...
Niek.
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| Author: | axaday | | Posted: | Nov 26, 2018 16:53 | | Subject: | Re: Seventh Catalog Project - Action Plan | | Viewed: | 23 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, StormChaser writes:
| | The problem with that project and why I shelved it for now is that it is very
complicated to create simple rules for a standard way of titling all figures.
I will continue thinking about it, though.
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It might be simplified if you consider two sets of rules. One for named characters
in published stories (whether licensed or not) and another for general archetype
figures.
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| Author: | StormChaser | | Posted: | Nov 26, 2018 16:45 | | Subject: | Re: Seventh Catalog Project - Action Plan | | Viewed: | 37 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| | | In Catalog, Hygrotus writes:
| | Robert after working through Star wars category and seeing this mess (especially
in Han Solo, Obi-Wan and Luke names) I now admit that I started to like your
Standardize Figure Titles project
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I'm glad to hear that. You may appreciate it even more if you looked at
all 10,000+ figures together and saw the diverse range of titling methods which
have been applied. Not only is there no standardized title for figures, but
dashes, commas, and round brackets have been used in a number of different (and
thus ultimately confusing) ways.
And there are entire categories of figures which are simply titled Figure 1,
Figure 2, Figure 3, etc.
The problem with that project and why I shelved it for now is that it is very
complicated to create simple rules for a standard way of titling all figures.
I will continue thinking about it, though.
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| Author: | StormChaser | | Posted: | Nov 26, 2018 16:33 | | Subject: | Re: Something I Just Threw Together | | Viewed: | 39 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, mfav writes:
| | I'm not sure the StormChaser has clearly articulated the reason for relabelling the section, why he finds the current labelling problematic, and what the intended result of the renaming is supposed to achieve.
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I apologize for not doing this. I will address all three of these below, but
the most important point to understand is this: the only change which would occur
is to remove Mini from Figures.
What is the reason for renaming this item type?
I have asked for a name change because the current name does not accurately describe
the contents of this section of the catalog.
Why is the current labelling problematic?
The label Minifigs is not accurate because in this item type we include many
different sizes of figures which vary in size from tiny to vary large. We also
include a range of different styles of figures at these different scales.
What is the intended result of renaming this section?
Renaming from Minifigs to Figures would present a more accurate picture of what
users can expect to find in this item type and that is the intended result.
This name change is not intended to and will not define which items are included
in this section.
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| Author: | Hygrotus | | Posted: | Nov 26, 2018 16:15 | | Subject: | Re: Seventh Catalog Project - Action Plan | | Viewed: | 39 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, Hygrotus writes:
| | In Catalog, Hygrotus writes:
| | Many more changed, About 4/5 done, left more tough ones with the same name distinguished
only by set number like Han Solo, Luke or Obi-Wan (and few more others)
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I Will finish them on the evening.
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Star wars category finished.
I will only check it again if nothing lef and if no the same names after last
bunch of changes will be approved.
From whole SW category this one stays for now without change
[m=sw388]
it is not connected still to any inventory.
P.S.
Robert after working through Star wars category and seeing this mess (especially
in Han Solo, Obi-Wan and Luke names) I now admit that I started to like your
Standardize Figure Titles project
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| Author: | Give.Me.A.Brick | | Posted: | Nov 26, 2018 13:57 | | Subject: | Re: Something I Just Threw Together | | Viewed: | 47 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, StormChaser writes:
| | In General, yorbrick writes:
| | The idea of using the name FIGURES is a good one. Although possibly CHARACTERS
is better
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I don't think we need to be that technical with this item type. The casual
user needs a basic item type name which is immediately identifiable. Figures
would encompass a wide range of items and Minifigs inaccurately described
that section of the catalog almost from the beginning.
| | I think the definition of what it means to be a minifigure is very important to get right.
|
This page is not intended to define what a minifigure is. That is handled by
this page (updating it is on my list of things to do):
https://www.bricklink.com/help.asp?helpID=170
The list of figure types is only intended to be an informative overview of the
different types/sizes of figures which have been produced.
| | Droids - there aren't any!
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To answer all of your questions: the list is just a framework right now and I'm
mainly interested in hearing whether members want it or not. We can worry about
the details later.
I will say that if such a list needs to become bogged down in minutiae beyond
the point of usability, then it was clearly not a good idea.
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Figures is a good choice and user friendly. For now I like what I see.
Some details will come later ok. I for one would like the Homemaker figures finally
having a place in the catalog. I also hope there is room to eventually include
special assemblies that represent figures, such as Galidor, Hero Factory, Bionicle
and etc. Later.
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| Author: | yorbrick | | Posted: | Nov 26, 2018 13:46 | | Subject: | Re: Something I Just Threw Together | | Viewed: | 44 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| | | If you can provide a better example, I'm all for it. The prejudice I'm
working with is that some people will expect find Bionicles and other BIG, non
minifigure-type figures in a section labelled "Figures".
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This type of figure too, although I guess at least they have a distinct subcategory
of "Buildable Figures" inside SW sets.
I think just a sentence at the top to say that buildable figures are to be found
in the set listings should be fine.
Looking again at the list, I don't think "Standard Minifigures" should be
used as name. Unless, of course, there will also be a section for "non-standard"
minifigures.
For example, I don't think any of these are standard minifigures:
[m=sw532]
[m=sw493]
First two, non-standard heads. Third non-standard torso. Fourth and fifth, non-standard
legs.
To me a standard minifigure would mean a pair of legs (and probably just the
jointed normal ones), a regular torso assembly, a regular head, and possibly
a hairpiece or headgear, especially as this is what is pictured. Deviations from
that would be non-standard but still minifigures. Thus in any guide, I think
it might be better to show a few examples of the class of figures where there
are variations in the definition of what is contained.
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| Author: | Abels_Bricks | | Posted: | Nov 26, 2018 13:28 | | Subject: | Re: Unofficial LEGO color guide | | Viewed: | 51 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, Nordbart writes:
| | In Catalog, Abels_Bricks writes:
| | I did read the reviews but I managed to get it new from amazon for £6.07 hardcover,
I wanted it for the color definitions and general info not really for the photos.
|
Did you know about this site?
http://ryanhowerter.net/colors.html
nordbart
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I did not but its book marked now. Thank you .
Part of the reason I got it was also to get me away from the laptop for a few
hours and have something physical to read.
regards
david
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| Author: | mfav | | Posted: | Nov 26, 2018 13:09 | | Subject: | Re: Something I Just Threw Together | | Viewed: | 43 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, SylvainLS writes:
| | In Catalog, mfav writes:
| | I suggest you usability test this proposal. Calling the section "Figures."
[…]
I have a web site, this is my product line, I want to have a section titled "figures".
Which of these items would you expect to find in that section?
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This question is flawed.
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If you can provide a better example, I'm all for it. The prejudice I'm
working with is that some people will expect find Bionicles and other BIG, non
minifigure-type figures in a section labelled "Figures".
So, in that sense, if all the test pictures are included, as in my example...and
as you suggest...then the label of "Figures" cognitively fails to accomplish
its intended purpose...which I believe is to restrict the contents of the section
to what's there now and not include the Bionicles and Hero Factory (which
are sets) and so on.
I think with "FIGURES" being a top-tier heading it will create more problems
than it will resolve. I don't know that, but I suspect that.
In my world, Grandma refers to the Bionicles as "the Lego figures."
I don't know what the right word to replace "Minifigs" in top tier is. I
suspect the StormChaser wants to restrict that term to the "little people" actual
"minifigs" and separate it from the duplo and whatnot.
I kind of think I know what's going on, but I'm not sure the StormChaser
has clearly articulated the reason for relabelling the section, why he finds
the current labelling problematic, and what the intended result of the renaming
is supposed to achieve.
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| Author: | SylvainLS | | Posted: | Nov 26, 2018 12:32 | | Subject: | Re: Something I Just Threw Together | | Viewed: | 44 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, mfav writes:
| | I suggest you usability test this proposal. Calling the section "Figures."
[…]
I have a web site, this is my product line, I want to have a section titled "figures".
Which of these items would you expect to find in that section?
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This question is flawed.
You should add things that are clearly not figures, like cars or houses, and
things on the line, like Cars (the movie) characters.
As you’re proposing it, you’re showing only things that could be construed as
“figures,” so people will try to find some that wouldn’t be.
The other questions don’t show that flaw as you’re trying to subcategorize figures
and show (what you expect to be) different subcategories on each page.
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| Author: | randyf | | Posted: | Nov 26, 2018 12:22 | | Subject: | Re: Seventh Catalog Project - Titles Update | | Viewed: | 30 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| The precedent started long ago of adding these droids as "minifigs" was very
misguided in my opinion and should not have occurred. Now that we have a Special
Assemblies section, I would like to see all of these moved there in the future
and declassified as "minifigs". However, that is a topic for another day.
Cheers,
Randy
In Catalog, Hygrotus writes:
| | In Catalog, StormChaser writes:
| | As for destroyer droid, I don't think we need to be that specific (although
we certainly could, I suppose). "Destroyer droid" is an identifier which could
only be applied to a few figures, while "droid" is more inclusive. But I'm
always open to reconsidering anything.
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Just notice this inconsistency when digging througt SW minifigs to delete set
numbers
Destroyer Droid and Droideka both names are used in catalog, these are the same
droids, but both names never occur in any entry, some are named Destroyer Droids
some only Droideka. So when you search by one world you never find them all
[m=sw063]
[m=sw164]
[m=sw348]
[m=sw441]
[m=sw441a]
[m=sw447]
[m=sw642]
[m=sw642s]
[m=sw967]
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| Author: | mfav | | Posted: | Nov 26, 2018 12:21 | | Subject: | Re: Something I Just Threw Together | | Viewed: | 40 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| I suggest you usability test this proposal. Calling the section "Figures."
Get images of all types of figures as shown in your demo page (a few of each),
plus robots, mechs, full assembled bionicles, large-figure knights, dragons,
animals (single piece and assembled), and anything else that could be construed
as a "figure". Create sheets of figures, perhaps 2 of each kind, jumble them
up on a page, print it out.
Have a few different sheets, meaning the selection on sheet 1 is different than
the selection on sheets 2 and 3...but all sheets have 2 images from each figure
category.
Find some people to sample. The larger the group, the better the data.
Take one page to random people, note their familiarity with the LEGO line: (1)
not familiar to (5) expert familiar, and with the question:
I have a web site, this is my product line, I want to have a section titled "figures".
Which of these items would you expect to find in that section?
Give them a different page. Change the question.
I have a web site, this is my product line, I want to have a section titled "figurines".
Which of these items would you expect to find in that section?
Give them a different page. Change the question.
I have a web site, this is my product line, I want to have a section titled "minifigs".
Which of these items would you expect to find in that section?
...and so on, changing the label. You don't necessarily have to get carried
away with multiple labels. But maybe three different labels.
Do NOT ask them what they'd call the section. That would be a later phase
of testing.
Record the results and analyze. Then figure out the next step.
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| Author: | hpoort | | Posted: | Nov 26, 2018 11:04 | | Subject: | Re: Something I Just Threw Together | | Viewed: | 43 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In General, StormChaser writes:
| | In my continual quest to make your lives marginally better, I have just now put
together a list with photos of the different types of figures the LEGO Group
has produced over the years.
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It would be helpful to mainly choose pictures with some indication of scale,
such as you did with the Scala and Fabuland pictures. And I would list the statuette,
microfigure, minifigure and minidoll on top as for a newby these terms are the
most relevant to distinguish. Perhaps sort by ascending size.
I would group by scale, so that the baby and children are grouped together with
minifigure scale. - Not counting the use of statuette as an object in minifig
scale, nor the use of a minifig as a statue in microfig scale.
Simply group by the size of a door frame that matches the scale of the figure.
[m=cty008]
and so on upto Galidor and Scala.
Hans-Peter
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| Author: | Hygrotus | | Posted: | Nov 26, 2018 10:50 | | Subject: | Re: Seventh Catalog Project - Action Plan | | Viewed: | 33 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, axaday writes:
| | In Catalog, bje writes:
| | In Catalog, axaday writes:
| | In Catalog, axaday writes:
| | I believe it is down to:
Scala
Star Wars (Hygrotus is working it)
The Angry Birds Movie
The Hobbit/LOTR (not a lot to do in there)
The Lego Ninjago Movie
Town (lots to do in there)
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I did Angry Birds and am working LOTR
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Train, then I will start on town, working forwards from the last page here: https://www.bricklink.com/catalogList.asp?catType=M&catString=67
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I believe this will close it out.
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From Star Wars left only Han Solo, Hoth Rebels, Luke Skywalker and Obi-Wan I
will deal them on the evenig later today
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| Author: | axaday | | Posted: | Nov 26, 2018 10:46 | | Subject: | Re: Seventh Catalog Project - Action Plan | | Viewed: | 31 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, bje writes:
| | In Catalog, axaday writes:
| | In Catalog, axaday writes:
| | I believe it is down to:
Scala
Star Wars (Hygrotus is working it)
The Angry Birds Movie
The Hobbit/LOTR (not a lot to do in there)
The Lego Ninjago Movie
Town (lots to do in there)
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I did Angry Birds and am working LOTR
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Train, then I will start on town, working forwards from the last page here: https://www.bricklink.com/catalogList.asp?catType=M&catString=67
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I believe this will close it out.
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| Author: | pikachu3 | | Posted: | Nov 26, 2018 10:44 | | Subject: | Re: Unofficial LEGO color guide | | Viewed: | 41 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, Nordbart writes:
| | In Catalog, Abels_Bricks writes:
| | I did read the reviews but I managed to get it new from amazon for £6.07 hardcover,
I wanted it for the color definitions and general info not really for the photos.
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Did you know about this site?
http://ryanhowerter.net/colors.html
nordbart
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It's not a terrible book (and I think he has a new edition coming with better
printing), but he doesn't credit the people who worked to research and compile
this color data in the first place. It's nifty that he used a colorimeter
but the rest of the information is freely available online.
I can't complain too much, it's not as if I've updated my own list
recently. Need to get on that...
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| Author: | hpoort | | Posted: | Nov 26, 2018 10:42 | | Subject: | Re: Something I Just Threw Together | | Viewed: | 39 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| | | I could tear this apart for the next two days, but I have to visit the dentist
for pain of another sort.
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Plenty of these around:
[p=3069bpx7]
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| Author: | Nordbart | | Posted: | Nov 26, 2018 09:30 | | Subject: | Re: Unofficial LEGO color guide | | Viewed: | 44 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, Abels_Bricks writes:
| | I did read the reviews but I managed to get it new from amazon for £6.07 hardcover,
I wanted it for the color definitions and general info not really for the photos.
|
Did you know about this site?
http://ryanhowerter.net/colors.html
nordbart
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| Author: | Abels_Bricks | | Posted: | Nov 26, 2018 08:33 | | Subject: | Re: Unofficial LEGO color guide | | Viewed: | 45 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, maxx3001 writes:
| | In Catalog, Abels_Bricks writes:
Have you read the reviews, it is not the best print, colors do not compare to
real colors in a book about colors...
Maxx
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I did read the reviews but I managed to get it new from amazon for £6.07 hardcover,
I wanted it for the color definitions and general info not really for the photos.
regards
david
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| Author: | Abels_Bricks | | Posted: | Nov 26, 2018 08:28 | | Subject: | Re: Unofficial LEGO color guide | | Viewed: | 29 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, StormChaser writes:
| | In Catalog, Abels_Bricks writes:
| | I just purchased this and wonder if should be added as its an amazing resource and there is this item
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That item was added because it was supposedly sold through official TLG channels.
If you can provide evidence that the book you purchased is currently for sale
or was ever sold by TLG, then yes, it can be added.
Otherwise, it is not an official LEGO item and would not be accepted into the
catalog.
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No problems, thanks for the information.
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| Author: | yorbrick | | Posted: | Nov 26, 2018 08:25 | | Subject: | Re: Something I Just Threw Together | | Viewed: | 47 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In General, Gmid writes:
| | Mini Dolls are only used in Friends, correct?
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No, incorrect. There are Elves and Disney characters too and soon TLM2.
For example:
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| Author: | maxx3001 | | Posted: | Nov 26, 2018 08:16 | | Subject: | Re: Unofficial LEGO color guide | | Viewed: | 39 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, Abels_Bricks writes:
Have you read the reviews, it is not the best print, colors do not compare to
real colors in a book about colors...
Maxx
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| Author: | 3001Bricks | | Posted: | Nov 26, 2018 08:16 | | Subject: | Re: Something I Just Threw Together | | Viewed: | 37 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| Mini Dolls are only used in Friends, correct? I would vouch for renaming that
to something containing the word "Friends". That is a common search term related
to these figures, while 'Doll' is not.
besides that, well done, great work!
G
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| Author: | StormChaser | | Posted: | Nov 26, 2018 08:15 | | Subject: | Re: Unofficial LEGO color guide | | Viewed: | 35 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, Abels_Bricks writes:
| | I just purchased this and wonder if should be added as its an amazing resource and there is this item
|
That item was added because it was supposedly sold through official TLG channels.
If you can provide evidence that the book you purchased is currently for sale
or was ever sold by TLG, then yes, it can be added.
Otherwise, it is not an official LEGO item and would not be accepted into the
catalog.
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| Author: | Lauren_Luke | | Posted: | Nov 26, 2018 07:59 | | Subject: | Re: Something I Just Threw Together | | Viewed: | 29 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| [StormChaser] writes:
| | I have asked that the item type Minifigs be retitled to Figures
|
This gets my vote. The term 'figures' is the correct term to use in
this context (toys).
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| Author: | mfav | | Posted: | Nov 26, 2018 07:59 | | Subject: | Re: Something I Just Threw Together | | Viewed: | 26 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In General, StormChaser writes:
| | I'm sorry to hear that you're in pain. I've had toothaches, as I'm
sure we all have, and they're definitely not fun. I trust the dentist will
be able to help you feel better.
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The pain is the extraction from my wallet.
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| Author: | WildBricks | | Posted: | Nov 26, 2018 07:59 | | Subject: | Re: I just wanted to show this image - thanks! | | Viewed: | 38 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| Wow. That is an amazing amount of work. You guys are awesome. Thanks for your
dedication.
In General, WoutR writes:
| | This screenshot shows how much work was done on the Seventh Catalog Project yesterday,
and it is continuing today.
Thanks everyone!
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| Author: | StormChaser | | Posted: | Nov 26, 2018 07:54 | | Subject: | Re: Something I Just Threw Together | | Viewed: | 31 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In General, mfav writes:
| | I could tear this apart for the next two days, but I have to visit the dentist
for pain
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I'm sorry to hear that you're in pain. I've had toothaches, as I'm
sure we all have, and they're definitely not fun. I trust the dentist will
be able to help you feel better.
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| Author: | Lauren_Luke | | Posted: | Nov 26, 2018 07:48 | | Subject: | Duplicate ' Figure ' Title | | Viewed: | 44 times | | Topic: | Catalog | | Status: | Open | |
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| The following two figures have the same title...
and
The only difference is the modified head, and I am unsure how to describe the
difference.
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| Author: | mfav | | Posted: | Nov 26, 2018 07:46 | | Subject: | Re: Something I Just Threw Together | | Viewed: | 44 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| | | 1. Is this list of figure types something you find useful?
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In this incarnation, no. As you say, it's "thrown together." With proper
consideration, this presentation would be helpful to the newbies, sure.
| | 2. How do you feel about retitling the item type?
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I think using "Figure" is problematic as it, to my mind, would beg for things
like the big Hero Factory, big Bionicle, those old big figure Knights, and maybe
something I'm forgetting. Figure as a word is a broad encompassing concept.
Figure also would not be the first thing I think of as a place to locate small
robots, droids, and other "bot" kind of things that are presumably to continue
to be included in this section.
Then it gets confusing when you get to "Big Figure" which is the label for the
larger minifigs like the Troll and Hulk and Thanos.
I think we need to address the distinction that needs to be made...or you're
suggesting we make...then figure out what to call the section. Cart before the
horse again.
I could tear this apart for the next two days, but I have to visit the dentist
for pain of another sort.
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| Author: | bje | | Posted: | Nov 26, 2018 07:46 | | Subject: | Re: Something I Just Threw Together | | Viewed: | 33 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In General, StormChaser writes:
| | In my continual quest to make your lives marginally better, I have just now put
together a list with photos of the different types of figures the LEGO Group
has produced over the years.
|
Cool thanks, this is helpful in itself, maybe more so for new users who might
have all of Bricklink's and TLG's terminologies down pat yet (think legos )
| |
This list is not yet official and will change. It will have more detailed descriptions
of figures and hopefully better photos. It will also move from the current location
to an unknown location in the Catalog Help Center section. Or, of course, it
could also get shot down.
I have also asked that the item type Minifigs be retitled to Figures
in light of the wide range of figures of all different sizes we include in this
one section - no word on if this will happen or not. So the six item types would
be:
Sets
Parts
Figures
Books
Catalogs
Gear
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Thanks long overdue
| | This is truly a sneak peak for everyone - the people at the BrickLink office
haven't even seen it yet:
https://www.bricklink.com/help.asp?helpID=88
Your thoughts on this list and the item type retitle? Do you find this list
of figure types useful or is it something not needed?
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| Author: | Teup | | Posted: | Nov 26, 2018 07:43 | | Subject: | Re: Something I Just Threw Together | | Viewed: | 33 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| I think "figures" is good, as in my understanding of English it refers more to
physical shape than "characters". "Characters" I expect to be animate, while
the category also includes trophy statuettes, game pawns, statues/sculptures,
skeletons etc.
In General, StormChaser writes:
| | In General, yorbrick writes:
| | The idea of using the name FIGURES is a good one. Although possibly CHARACTERS
is better
|
I don't think we need to be that technical with this item type. The casual
user needs a basic item type name which is immediately identifiable. Figures
would encompass a wide range of items and Minifigs inaccurately described
that section of the catalog almost from the beginning.
| | I think the definition of what it means to be a minifigure is very important to get right.
|
This page is not intended to define what a minifigure is. That is handled by
this page (updating it is on my list of things to do):
https://www.bricklink.com/help.asp?helpID=170
The list of figure types is only intended to be an informative overview of the
different types/sizes of figures which have been produced.
| | Droids - there aren't any!
|
To answer all of your questions: the list is just a framework right now and I'm
mainly interested in hearing whether members want it or not. We can worry about
the details later.
I will say that if such a list needs to become bogged down in minutiae beyond
the point of usability, then it was clearly not a good idea.
|
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| Author: | StormChaser | | Posted: | Nov 26, 2018 07:25 | | Subject: | Re: Something I Just Threw Together | | Viewed: | 43 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In General, yorbrick writes:
| | The idea of using the name FIGURES is a good one. Although possibly CHARACTERS
is better
|
I don't think we need to be that technical with this item type. The casual
user needs a basic item type name which is immediately identifiable. Figures
would encompass a wide range of items and Minifigs inaccurately described
that section of the catalog almost from the beginning.
| | I think the definition of what it means to be a minifigure is very important to get right.
|
This page is not intended to define what a minifigure is. That is handled by
this page (updating it is on my list of things to do):
https://www.bricklink.com/help.asp?helpID=170
The list of figure types is only intended to be an informative overview of the
different types/sizes of figures which have been produced.
| | Droids - there aren't any!
|
To answer all of your questions: the list is just a framework right now and I'm
mainly interested in hearing whether members want it or not. We can worry about
the details later.
I will say that if such a list needs to become bogged down in minutiae beyond
the point of usability, then it was clearly not a good idea.
|
|
| Author: | novabrick | | Posted: | Nov 26, 2018 07:19 | | Subject: | Re: Something I Just Threw Together | | Viewed: | 26 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
|
| In General, StormChaser writes:
| | 1. Is this list of figure types something you find useful?
|
From the view of a "professional" who basically has seen everything I can't
learn much from it but maybe it helps newcomers find what they're looking
for.
| | 2. How do you feel about retitling the item type?
|
Figure is a more general term and it was probably overdue to change from Minifig
which is for me just the orginal standard LEGO minifig in all its forms. Just
take Scala dolls. They clearly don't say minifig to anyone.
Christian
novabrick-team
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| Author: | novabrick | | Posted: | Nov 26, 2018 07:14 | | Subject: | Re: Something I Just Threw Together | | Viewed: | 34 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
|
| In General, StormChaser writes:
| |
Your thoughts on this list and the item type retitle? Do you find this list
of figure types useful or is it something not needed?
|
i think there is something missing:
And what about assemblies from LEGO bricks which form characters like
[m=sw028] and
Then there are figures with special heads like
or
Those are all in the moment listed as Minifigs (figures) and maybe should be
added for completenes sake.
Christian
novabrick-team
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|
| Author: | StormChaser | | Posted: | Nov 26, 2018 07:11 | | Subject: | Re: Something I Just Threw Together | | Viewed: | 37 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
|
| In General, iprice writes:
| | You appear to be missing at least one sort
|
The list is obviously just an incomplete framework. At this point I'm looking
more for commentary on two things and we can worry about the details of that
list later.
1. Is this list of figure types something you find useful?
2. How do you feel about retitling the item type?
|
|
| Author: | Lauren_Luke | | Posted: | Nov 26, 2018 07:06 | | Subject: | Re: Something I Just Threw Together | | Viewed: | 35 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In General, iprice writes:
| | You appear to be missing at least one sort - large figures with round yellow
heads, separate hair pieces and posable jointed arms with round open stud hands
with ball wrists.
|
I think these figures were from the Homemaker line.
|
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| Author: | iprice | | Posted: | Nov 26, 2018 07:02 | | Subject: | Re: Something I Just Threw Together | | Viewed: | 43 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
|
| In General, StormChaser writes:
| | In my continual quest to make your lives marginally better, I have just now put
together a list with photos of the different types of figures the LEGO Group
has produced over the years.
This list is not yet official and will change. It will have more detailed descriptions
of figures and hopefully better photos. It will also move from the current location
to an unknown location in the Catalog Help Center section. Or, of course, it
could also get shot down.
I have also asked that the item type Minifigs be retitled to Figures
in light of the wide range of figures of all different sizes we include in this
one section - no word on if this will happen or not. So the six item types would
be:
Sets
Parts
Figures
Books
Catalogs
Gear
This is truly a sneak peak for everyone - the people at the BrickLink office
haven't even seen it yet:
https://www.bricklink.com/help.asp?helpID=88
Your thoughts on this list and the item type retitle? Do you find this list
of figure types useful or is it something not needed?
|
You appear to be missing at least one sort - large figures with round yellow
heads, separate hair pieces and posable jointed arms with round open stud hands
with ball wrists.
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-twXvraYLa8M/VNFCNCKIqiI/AAAAAAABvD0/di2vVvZiFQg/s1600/20150203_104058.jpg
Are they missing because they are not complete figures in themselves and require
bricks for their bodies etc.?
|
|
| Author: | yorbrick | | Posted: | Nov 26, 2018 06:57 | | Subject: | Re: Something I Just Threw Together | | Viewed: | 53 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
|
| The idea of using the name FIGURES is a good one. Although possibly CHARACTERS
is better, meaning things like Scooby Doo and built animal characters like the
TLM snail could be in there. It is confusing when, for example, Unikitty is a
minifigure but the snail from the same movie and Scooby Doo are animals.
Some comments:
Minifigure - maybe there should be a disclaimer that although the standard style
is shown, this could contain figures with molded heads, dress / skirt slopes,
etc and what defines a figure as a minifigure - that is, what is the standard
going to be that has to be met for a minifigure to be a minifigure. I think the
definition of what it means to be a minifigure is very important to get right.
Droids - there aren't any! Are these going to be minifigures? If so, see
above.
There are a lot of duplo figure styles. Can't these be lumped into one, with
a sub-duplo category. Otherwise why not have many styles shown for different
types of minifigure? For example, I don't see the original minifigures with
non-moving arms and legs. Surely they are as different to modern minifigures
as the early and later duplo brick figures are to each other.
Custom minifigure-scale figures - I don't think custom is a good word to
use here. Maybe molded-body, or non-standard? Custom has a very different meaning
in the LEGO world and it may be confusing. Also are these just one piece figures
or ones that contain no minifigure parts (although arms and hands here!), or
would Spongebob and friends go here?
And where would these go?
[m=col18-2]
Are these a minifigure with a non-standard torso (but still a minifigure due
to head, hair and legs) or a "custom" as they don't contan a torso. Of course,
LEGO has defined them as a minifigure.
Most of those points can be resolved by having a well defined definition of what
constitutes a minifigure.
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|
| Author: | bje | | Posted: | Nov 26, 2018 06:33 | | Subject: | Re: Seventh Catalog Project - Action Plan | | Viewed: | 41 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
|
| In Catalog, axaday writes:
| | In Catalog, axaday writes:
| | I believe it is down to:
Scala
Star Wars (Hygrotus is working it)
The Angry Birds Movie
The Hobbit/LOTR (not a lot to do in there)
The Lego Ninjago Movie
Town (lots to do in there)
|
I did Angry Birds and am working LOTR
|
Train, then I will start on town, working forwards from the last page here: https://www.bricklink.com/catalogList.asp?catType=M&catString=67
|
|
| Author: | StormChaser | | Posted: | Nov 26, 2018 06:21 | | Subject: | Something I Just Threw Together | | Viewed: | 299 times | | Topic: | Catalog | | Status: | Open | |
|
| In my continual quest to make your lives marginally better, I have just now put
together a list with photos of the different types of figures the LEGO Group
has produced over the years.
This list is not yet official and will change. It will have more detailed descriptions
of figures and hopefully better photos. It will also move from the current location
to an unknown location in the Catalog Help Center section. Or, of course, it
could also get shot down.
I have also asked that the item type Minifigs be retitled to Figures
in light of the wide range of figures of all different sizes we include in this
one section - no word on if this will happen or not. So the six item types would
be:
Sets
Parts
Figures
Books
Catalogs
Gear
This is truly a sneak peak for everyone - the people at the BrickLink office
haven't even seen it yet:
https://www.bricklink.com/help.asp?helpID=88
Your thoughts on this list and the item type retitle? Do you find this list
of figure types useful or is it something not needed?
|
|
| Author: | WoutR | | Posted: | Nov 26, 2018 05:50 | | Subject: | I just wanted to show this image - thanks! | | Viewed: | 153 times | | Topic: | Catalog | | Status: | Open | |
|
| This screenshot shows how much work was done on the Seventh Catalog Project yesterday,
and it is continuing today.
Thanks everyone!
|
|
| Author: | Lauren_Luke | | Posted: | Nov 26, 2018 03:07 | | Subject: | Re: Seventh Catalog Project - Action Plan | | Viewed: | 43 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
|
| In Catalog, axaday writes:
| | I believe it is down to:
Scala
Star Wars (Hygrotus is working it)
The Angry Birds Movie
The Hobbit/LOTR (not a lot to do in there)
The Lego Ninjago Movie
Town (lots to do in there)
|
I will do ' The Lego Ninjago Movie '...
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| Author: | Hygrotus | | Posted: | Nov 26, 2018 02:09 | | Subject: | Re: Seventh Catalog Project - Action Plan | | Viewed: | 33 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
|
| In Catalog, Hygrotus writes:
| | Many more changed, About 4/5 done, left more tough ones with the same name distinguished
only by set number like Han Solo, Luke or Obi-Wan (and few more others)
|
I Will finish them on the evening.
|
|
| Author: | Hygrotus | | Posted: | Nov 26, 2018 01:44 | | Subject: | Re: Seventh Catalog Project - Action Plan | | Viewed: | 27 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
|
| In Catalog, Hygrotus writes:
| | In Catalog, Hygrotus writes:
| | I only want to claim Star Wars category to correct.
|
About half done (this is more than 1000 minfigs to check), will do another bunch
from this category tomorrow
(Han Solo figures names is a mess hard to invent not repeated names for 45
minifigs of Han Solo to get rid of numbers)
|
Many more changed, About 4/5 done, left more tough ones with the same name distinguished
only by set number like Han Solo, Luke or Obi-Wan (and few more others)
|
|
| Author: | StormChaser | | Posted: | Nov 25, 2018 23:50 | | Subject: | Re: Seventh Catalog Project - Action Plan | | Viewed: | 36 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
|
| In Catalog, axaday writes:
| | I did Angry Birds and am working LOTR
|
I'm not sure precisely where we are with this, but all requests have been
approved. I've done all my categories and Scala.
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| Author: | axaday | | Posted: | Nov 25, 2018 20:31 | | Subject: | Re: Seventh Catalog Project - Action Plan | | Viewed: | 47 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
|
| In Catalog, axaday writes:
| | I believe it is down to:
Scala
Star Wars (Hygrotus is working it)
The Angry Birds Movie
The Hobbit/LOTR (not a lot to do in there)
The Lego Ninjago Movie
Town (lots to do in there)
|
I did Angry Birds and am working LOTR
|
| Author: | axaday | | Posted: | Nov 25, 2018 18:30 | | Subject: | Re: Seventh Catalog Project - Action Plan | | Viewed: | 37 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
|
| I believe it is down to:
Scala
Star Wars (Hygrotus is working it)
The Angry Birds Movie
The Hobbit/LOTR (not a lot to do in there)
The Lego Ninjago Movie
Town (lots to do in there)
|
| Author: | Hygrotus | | Posted: | Nov 25, 2018 18:03 | | Subject: | Re: Seventh Catalog Project - Action Plan | | Viewed: | 29 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
|
| In Catalog, Hygrotus writes:
| | I only want to claim Star Wars category to correct.
|
About half done (this is more than 1000 minfigs to check), will do another bunch
from this category tomorrow
(Han Solo figures names is a mess hard to invent not repeated names for 45
minifigs of Han Solo to get rid of numbers)
|
|
| Author: | axaday | | Posted: | Nov 25, 2018 17:57 | | Subject: | Re: Seventh Catalog Project - Action Plan | | Viewed: | 26 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
|
| In Catalog, axaday writes:
| | In Catalog, axaday writes:
| | In Catalog, axaday writes:
| | In Catalog, StormChaser writes:
| | In Catalog, axaday writes:
| | I actually did a few. But I wasn't sure I was supposed to since there will
be another project to do that.
|
Yes, but that may not happen for some time. Until then, we definitely don't
want any figures to have identical titles. In fact, if you wouldn't mind
going back through Harry Potter and fixing these, then I would appreciate it.
|
I will do it. I put them in order by Item Number when I went through and it
wasn't so noticeable.
|
I finished this. I will now do S, excluding Star Wars which Hygrotus already
called.
|
I am uncalling Scala. Did half of it and don't want to finish it...
|
Skipping T for now. U, V, W
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| Author: | axaday | | Posted: | Nov 25, 2018 15:50 | | Subject: | Re: Seventh Catalog Project - Action Plan | | Viewed: | 31 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
|
| In Catalog, axaday writes:
| | In Catalog, axaday writes:
| | In Catalog, StormChaser writes:
| | In Catalog, axaday writes:
| | I actually did a few. But I wasn't sure I was supposed to since there will
be another project to do that.
|
Yes, but that may not happen for some time. Until then, we definitely don't
want any figures to have identical titles. In fact, if you wouldn't mind
going back through Harry Potter and fixing these, then I would appreciate it.
|
I will do it. I put them in order by Item Number when I went through and it
wasn't so noticeable.
|
I finished this. I will now do S, excluding Star Wars which Hygrotus already
called.
|
I am uncalling Scala. Did half of it and don't want to finish it...
|
|
| Author: | Hygrotus | | Posted: | Nov 25, 2018 15:44 | | Subject: | Re: Seventh Catalog Project - Action Plan | | Viewed: | 22 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
|
| In Catalog, axaday writes:
| | In Catalog, axaday writes:
| | In Catalog, StormChaser writes:
| | In Catalog, axaday writes:
| | I actually did a few. But I wasn't sure I was supposed to since there will
be another project to do that.
|
Yes, but that may not happen for some time. Until then, we definitely don't
want any figures to have identical titles. In fact, if you wouldn't mind
going back through Harry Potter and fixing these, then I would appreciate it.
|
I will do it. I put them in order by Item Number when I went through and it
wasn't so noticeable.
|
I finished this. I will now do S, excluding Star Wars which Hygrotus already
called.
|
I'm in the middle of changes there but now occuiped by inv change requests
so probably finnished them tomorrow
Thank you for leaving Star Wars category for me
|
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| Author: | axaday | | Posted: | Nov 25, 2018 15:42 | | Subject: | Re: Seventh Catalog Project - Action Plan | | Viewed: | 22 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
|
| In Catalog, axaday writes:
| | In Catalog, StormChaser writes:
| | In Catalog, axaday writes:
| | I actually did a few. But I wasn't sure I was supposed to since there will
be another project to do that.
|
Yes, but that may not happen for some time. Until then, we definitely don't
want any figures to have identical titles. In fact, if you wouldn't mind
going back through Harry Potter and fixing these, then I would appreciate it.
|
I will do it. I put them in order by Item Number when I went through and it
wasn't so noticeable.
|
I finished this. I will now do S, excluding Star Wars which Hygrotus already
called.
|
|
| Author: | bje | | Posted: | Nov 25, 2018 15:18 | | Subject: | Re: Seventh Catalog Project - Action Plan | | Viewed: | 32 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
|
| In Catalog, bje writes:
P, Q, R now then I am done for the day
|
| Author: | axaday | | Posted: | Nov 25, 2018 15:00 | | Subject: | Re: Seventh Catalog Project - Action Plan | | Viewed: | 27 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
|
| In Catalog, StormChaser writes:
| | In Catalog, axaday writes:
| | I actually did a few. But I wasn't sure I was supposed to since there will
be another project to do that.
|
Yes, but that may not happen for some time. Until then, we definitely don't
want any figures to have identical titles. In fact, if you wouldn't mind
going back through Harry Potter and fixing these, then I would appreciate it.
|
I will do it. I put them in order by Item Number when I went through and it
wasn't so noticeable.
|
|
| Author: | StormChaser | | Posted: | Nov 25, 2018 14:50 | | Subject: | Re: Seventh Catalog Project - Action Plan | | Viewed: | 30 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
|
| In Catalog, axaday writes:
| | I actually did a few. But I wasn't sure I was supposed to since there will
be another project to do that.
|
Yes, but that may not happen for some time. Until then, we definitely don't
want any figures to have identical titles. In fact, if you wouldn't mind
going back through Harry Potter and fixing these, then I would appreciate it.
|
|
| Author: | axaday | | Posted: | Nov 25, 2018 14:47 | | Subject: | Re: Seventh Catalog Project - Action Plan | | Viewed: | 25 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
|
| In Catalog, StormChaser writes:
| | In Catalog, axaday writes:
| | I will do L this afternoon
|
Thanks for your help with this project. Some figure are only differentiated
by set numbers in the titles. I noticed this especially with Harry Potter figures
and I will go back through this theme and add brief identifying features to figures
which now have identical titles as a result of changes.
As you're doing future categories, please remember to do this for any figures
which will match existing titles when the set number is removed.
|
I actually did a few. But I wasn't sure I was supposed to since there will
be another project to do that.
|
|
| Author: | StormChaser | | Posted: | Nov 25, 2018 14:37 | | Subject: | Re: Seventh Catalog Project - Action Plan | | Viewed: | 27 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
|
| In Catalog, axaday writes:
| | I will do L this afternoon
|
Thanks for your help with this project. Some figure are only differentiated
by set numbers in the titles. I noticed this especially with Harry Potter figures
and I will go back through this theme and add brief identifying features to figures
which now have identical titles as a result of changes.
As you're doing future categories, please remember to do this for any figures
which will match existing titles when the set number is removed.
|
| Author: | bje | | Posted: | Nov 25, 2018 13:34 | | Subject: | Re: Seventh Catalog Project - Action Plan | | Viewed: | 28 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
|
| | M, N, O now |
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| Author: | Hygrotus | | Posted: | Nov 25, 2018 11:25 | | Subject: | Re: Seventh Catalog Project - Titles Update | | Viewed: | 30 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
|
| In Catalog, StormChaser writes:
| | As for destroyer droid, I don't think we need to be that specific (although
we certainly could, I suppose). "Destroyer droid" is an identifier which could
only be applied to a few figures, while "droid" is more inclusive. But I'm
always open to reconsidering anything.
|
Just notice this inconsistency when digging througt SW minifigs to delete set
numbers
Destroyer Droid and Droideka both names are used in catalog, these are the same
droids, but both names never occur in any entry, some are named Destroyer Droids
some only Droideka. So when you search by one world you never find them all
[m=sw063]
[m=sw164]
[m=sw348]
[m=sw441]
[m=sw441a]
[m=sw447]
[m=sw642]
[m=sw642s]
[m=sw967]
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| Author: | axaday | | Posted: | Nov 25, 2018 10:10 | | Subject: | Re: Seventh Catalog Project - Action Plan | | Viewed: | 44 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
|
| | I will do L this afternoon |
| Author: | axaday | | Posted: | Nov 25, 2018 09:20 | | Subject: | Re: Seventh Catalog Project - Action Plan | | Viewed: | 31 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
|
| In Catalog, axaday writes:
| | In Catalog, axaday writes:
| | In Catalog, StormChaser writes:
| | Please use this thread to claim some categories which you are checking and correcting.
This should make things go more smoothly. We will go in alphabetical order,
so here are the categories I am claiming and will correct myself:
|
I like this approach. I will do E, F, and G right now.
|
Done. H now
|
I and J.
|
| Author: | grimsbricksuk | | Posted: | Nov 25, 2018 08:06 | | Subject: | Vaders Castle 75251 in hand | | Viewed: | 70 times | | Topic: | Catalog | | Status: | Open | |
|
| Amazon have delivered vaders castle (75251), please can the set & minifigs now
be approved.
|
| Author: | axaday | | Posted: | Nov 25, 2018 08:06 | | Subject: | Re: Seventh Catalog Project - Action Plan | | Viewed: | 30 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
|
| In Catalog, axaday writes:
| | In Catalog, StormChaser writes:
| | Please use this thread to claim some categories which you are checking and correcting.
This should make things go more smoothly. We will go in alphabetical order,
so here are the categories I am claiming and will correct myself:
|
I like this approach. I will do E, F, and G right now.
|
Done. H now
|
|
| Author: | axaday | | Posted: | Nov 25, 2018 07:41 | | Subject: | Re: Seventh Catalog Project - Action Plan | | Viewed: | 36 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
|
| In Catalog, StormChaser writes:
| | Please use this thread to claim some categories which you are checking and correcting.
This should make things go more smoothly. We will go in alphabetical order,
so here are the categories I am claiming and will correct myself:
|
I like this approach. I will do E, F, and G right now.
|
| Author: | StormChaser | | Posted: | Nov 25, 2018 04:03 | | Subject: | Re: Seventh Catalog Project - Action Plan | | Viewed: | 30 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
|
| In Catalog, bje writes:
| | Rest of the B's, C and D. I'm assuming you want catalog change requests
and not forum posts like the colors, correct?
|
Okay, so you're taking Bionicle through Duplo. And yes, catalog change requests,
please.
|
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| Author: | bje | | Posted: | Nov 25, 2018 04:01 | | Subject: | Re: Seventh Catalog Project - Action Plan | | Viewed: | 34 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
|
| In Catalog, StormChaser writes:
snip
| |
Please use this thread to claim some categories which you are checking and correcting.
This should make things go more smoothly. We will go in alphabetical order,
so here are the categories I am claiming and will correct myself:
4 Juniors
Adventurers
Agents
Alpha Team
Aquazone
Atlantis
Avatar
Basic
Batman 1
Belville
|
Rest of the B's, C and D. I'm assuming you want catalog change requests
and not forum posts like the colors, correct?
|
|
| Author: | Hygrotus | | Posted: | Nov 25, 2018 03:59 | | Subject: | Re: Seventh Catalog Project - Action Plan | | Viewed: | 40 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, StormChaser writes:
| | Thank you all for caring enough to provide the fascinating discussion and for
listening as I tried to formulate my own thoughts on figure titles with that
rather convoluted set of rules which I posted.
Some of you were for set numbers and some were against. The only thing we really
all agreed on was that set/book/gear numbers should be in figure titles until
that figure is added to an inventory.
The only point that I haven't yet addressed (I think) is the mention that
Brickset uses item numbers in the titles to link back here. I've checked
this for some figures without set numbers in the titles and Brickset still
links back to us on those figures, so I don't think that would be a valid
reason for keeping item numbers.
So here's what I've done:
Added Figure Title Standardization to the Catalog Roadmap
We absolutely need to standardize figure titles catalog-wide and we will. However,
this particular project was only to decide if we should have set numbers in titles
and I've decided on that. The members who said that we should start at the
beginning with figure titles are right - and in an ideal world we would. For
now, though, we're just going to address the issue at hand.
Progress sometimes comes in fits and starts and we are making slow progress
with catalog issues, even if we're not doing it in the most efficient way
possible.
Updated the Help Center Section to Address Figure Titles
See here:
https://www.bricklink.com/help.asp?helpID=179
This section had not been updated in over eight years. I added the following
sentence:
Figure titles should not include set, book, or gear numbers; these are only allowed
in the figure title until that figure is added to an inventory and must then
be removed.
Updated Project
I waffled back and forth on set/book/gear numbers in figure titles, but in the
end I don't think we gain much from keeping them. They are something which
need continual management (meaning occasional review and corrections when necessary)
to remain correct and members simply aren't doing this. I certainly don't
have the time to do this regularly and clearly other administrators don't
either. I found an error, BTW, fairly early when selecting a figure at random
which the title said appeared in two sets when it only appeared in one set.
We gain little by keeping numbers in the title once a figure is inventoried,
they must be changed when occurrences of figures change, no one is reviewing
them periodically for corrections, they're something else members have to
think about when looking at titles (and titles don't explain what these numbers
mean), they would need an additional identifier such as (Multiple Sets) to be
consistent catalog-wide, and they lessen the aesthetic appeal of figure titles.
So we are removing set/book/gear numbers from every figure in which they appear
except those figures not yet inventoried. Please submit catalog requests as
necessary if you'd like to help and do not submit any other changes with
your requests unless a serious error is discovered (include a note to me with
your request in that case). The colors project wasn't coordinated so well,
so I'm doing something different here.
Please use this thread to claim some categories which you are checking and correcting.
This should make things go more smoothly. We will go in alphabetical order,
so here are the categories I am claiming and will correct myself:
4 Juniors
Adventurers
Agents
Alpha Team
Aquazone
Atlantis
Avatar
Basic
Batman 1
Belville
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I only want to claim Star Wars category to correct.
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| Author: | StormChaser | | Posted: | Nov 25, 2018 03:02 | | Subject: | Seventh Catalog Project - Action Plan | | Viewed: | 70 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| Thank you all for caring enough to provide the fascinating discussion and for
listening as I tried to formulate my own thoughts on figure titles with that
rather convoluted set of rules which I posted.
Some of you were for set numbers and some were against. The only thing we really
all agreed on was that set/book/gear numbers should be in figure titles until
that figure is added to an inventory.
The only point that I haven't yet addressed (I think) is the mention that
Brickset uses item numbers in the titles to link back here. I've checked
this for some figures without set numbers in the titles and Brickset still
links back to us on those figures, so I don't think that would be a valid
reason for keeping item numbers.
So here's what I've done:
Added Figure Title Standardization to the Catalog Roadmap
We absolutely need to standardize figure titles catalog-wide and we will. However,
this particular project was only to decide if we should have set numbers in titles
and I've decided on that. The members who said that we should start at the
beginning with figure titles are right - and in an ideal world we would. For
now, though, we're just going to address the issue at hand.
Progress sometimes comes in fits and starts and we are making slow progress
with catalog issues, even if we're not doing it in the most efficient way
possible.
Updated the Help Center Section to Address Figure Titles
See here:
https://www.bricklink.com/help.asp?helpID=179
This section had not been updated in over eight years. I added the following
sentence:
Figure titles should not include set, book, or gear numbers; these are only allowed
in the figure title until that figure is added to an inventory and must then
be removed.
Updated Project
I waffled back and forth on set/book/gear numbers in figure titles, but in the
end I don't think we gain much from keeping them. They are something which
need continual management (meaning occasional review and corrections when necessary)
to remain correct and members simply aren't doing this. I certainly don't
have the time to do this regularly and clearly other administrators don't
either. I found an error, BTW, fairly early when selecting a figure at random
which the title said appeared in two sets when it only appeared in one set.
We gain little by keeping numbers in the title once a figure is inventoried,
they must be changed when occurrences of figures change, no one is reviewing
them periodically for corrections, they're something else members have to
think about when looking at titles (and titles don't explain what these numbers
mean), they would need an additional identifier such as (Multiple Sets) to be
consistent catalog-wide, and they lessen the aesthetic appeal of figure titles.
So we are removing set/book/gear numbers from every figure in which they appear
except those figures not yet inventoried. Please submit catalog requests as
necessary if you'd like to help and do not submit any other changes with
your requests unless a serious error is discovered (include a note to me with
your request in that case). The colors project wasn't coordinated so well,
so I'm doing something different here.
Please use this thread to claim some categories which you are checking and correcting.
This should make things go more smoothly. We will go in alphabetical order,
so here are the categories I am claiming and will correct myself:
4 Juniors
Adventurers
Agents
Alpha Team
Aquazone
Atlantis
Avatar
Basic
Batman 1
Belville
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| Author: | speshy | | Posted: | Nov 24, 2018 23:15 | | Subject: | Re: Seventh Catalog Project - Titles Update | | Viewed: | 31 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| I think each fig should, at the very least, include in its title the exact phrasing
that is given it on the LEGO S@H website (English), where possible. I'm
not sure if that's done now as a standard now on BL, but S@H is a good place
to start for standardization. Added details, such as cowl types, torso descriptions,
printing distinctions, etc. are fine.
Random example:
On the website you can see the following in the set description:
Includes 13 LEGO® minifigures: a hotel bellhop, hotel customer, bus driver, ice
cream attendant, skateboarder, street musician, city traffic cop, 2 construction
workers, tourist, IT businessperson, kiosk attendant and a museum caveman.
The minifigure listings on BL should include those words in their respective
titles. This way, if someone is looking for the bus driver, they can type "Bus
driver" and it will show up. If the word order gets complicated (..."Driver,
Bus"...), it may not show up in an otherwise no-brainer search.
K
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| Author: | mhortar | | Posted: | Nov 24, 2018 18:43 | | Subject: | Re: Seventh Catalog Project - Titles Update | | Viewed: | 31 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, bje writes:
| | In Catalog, StormChaser writes:
| | In Catalog, mfav writes:
| | I'm just noting that there's a mix of apples and oranges in this column.
|
Right, and I did think of that and disliked it. I have most of the 4 Juniors
sets done now according to the guidelines:
https://www.bricklink.com/catalogListOld.asp?catType=M&catString=516&itemBrand=1000
Honestly, when I see all those set numbers together on one page I don't much
care for the idea of including them at all. For those of you who want set numbers
added to the titles, do you like the way they look?
We could go with including them for one set only and use (Multiple Sets) after
that. This would fix the issue mfav pointed out. But, if I were the only person
deciding, I'd just leave them off completely except for figures which hadn't
yet been included in an inventory. They just look messy to me.
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I'm honestly ambivalent about including the set numbers. On the one hand
I'd like a feature of the catalog to easily point out something unique (such
as a figure occurring only in 1 set). On the other hand, I have got issues with
all those numbers - they do look messy (and you've not done a figure that
is included in a book with the ISBN number as item number - 13 digits or three
books will have 39 digits!!). Also, how many inventory submitters are going to
remember to put those numbers in ascending order for name changes? Conversely,
how many submitters are going to remember to put a name change through for the
removal of the set number once the set has been inventoried? Or worse still,
which numbers do you order on: sets, gear or books, i e do you have a naming
convention that set numbers are first in line, ascending, then gear, then books?
So lets go with the work involved - which is easier: name changes for ascending
set numbers if you stick with three max (and I personally like the idea of 3+
sets in stead of multiple sets proposed in the other reply to this), or removing
set numbers from figures names once the inventory comes through? That is for
catmins to decide, as I said previously, if a person can remember to actually
do the name change request, it is not a huge extra effort as part of an inventory
submission to do so. Note that I'm not going with the workload to re-name
most if not all of the figures in the catalog, this will have to be done anyway
so including set numbers is just tacked on to that.
Furthermore, I've tested the searches on some of those 4 Juniors using just
the set numbers, and they do come up correctly as figures in the search results,
so from that perspective it works. But, and this is problematic, under what instance
would you search for a figure using the set number? If you have the figure or
a part of it, and do not know the set, you cannot do the search on that basis.
If you know the set number, then you can find the figure in its inventory. So
it would seem that I am back to my first argument - nice to have, and not necessarily
practical or user friendly in terms of look and feel (circular logic). If the
workload involved for the name changes referred to above is the same, then I
would just go for leaving the set numbers off altogether unless a set has not
been inventoried as yet and rather forgo the nice to have for a practical look
and feel.
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My personal thoughts have gone back and forth on set numbers in the minifig description.
First I was against it, then after reading a lot of the feedback here, I had
changed my mind and thought it was a good idea. But now, after seeing it in practice,
it really clutters up and complicates things unnecessarily.
Finding which set a minifig is in takes 2 extra clicks, so it's really not
a lot of additional effort. In theory if we add the set number into the minifig
name, you could see all the minifigs in a set by just searching the set name.
Except if a minifig appears in more than 3 sets, the set number gets removed
and would no longer show up in the search of the set number. In the situation
where a set has a lot of minifigs, you might see all, most, some, or none
of the minifigs show up, depending on how often the minifigs appear elsewhere.
This seems like it would be more confusing than helpful.
Josh
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| Author: | bje | | Posted: | Nov 24, 2018 15:28 | | Subject: | Re: Seventh Catalog Project - Titles Update | | Viewed: | 36 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, StormChaser writes:
| | In Catalog, mfav writes:
| | I'm just noting that there's a mix of apples and oranges in this column.
|
Right, and I did think of that and disliked it. I have most of the 4 Juniors
sets done now according to the guidelines:
https://www.bricklink.com/catalogListOld.asp?catType=M&catString=516&itemBrand=1000
Honestly, when I see all those set numbers together on one page I don't much
care for the idea of including them at all. For those of you who want set numbers
added to the titles, do you like the way they look?
We could go with including them for one set only and use (Multiple Sets) after
that. This would fix the issue mfav pointed out. But, if I were the only person
deciding, I'd just leave them off completely except for figures which hadn't
yet been included in an inventory. They just look messy to me.
|
I'm honestly ambivalent about including the set numbers. On the one hand
I'd like a feature of the catalog to easily point out something unique (such
as a figure occurring only in 1 set). On the other hand, I have got issues with
all those numbers - they do look messy (and you've not done a figure that
is included in a book with the ISBN number as item number - 13 digits or three
books will have 39 digits!!). Also, how many inventory submitters are going to
remember to put those numbers in ascending order for name changes? Conversely,
how many submitters are going to remember to put a name change through for the
removal of the set number once the set has been inventoried? Or worse still,
which numbers do you order on: sets, gear or books, i e do you have a naming
convention that set numbers are first in line, ascending, then gear, then books?
So lets go with the work involved - which is easier: name changes for ascending
set numbers if you stick with three max (and I personally like the idea of 3+
sets in stead of multiple sets proposed in the other reply to this), or removing
set numbers from figures names once the inventory comes through? That is for
catmins to decide, as I said previously, if a person can remember to actually
do the name change request, it is not a huge extra effort as part of an inventory
submission to do so. Note that I'm not going with the workload to re-name
most if not all of the figures in the catalog, this will have to be done anyway
so including set numbers is just tacked on to that.
Furthermore, I've tested the searches on some of those 4 Juniors using just
the set numbers, and they do come up correctly as figures in the search results,
so from that perspective it works. But, and this is problematic, under what instance
would you search for a figure using the set number? If you have the figure or
a part of it, and do not know the set, you cannot do the search on that basis.
If you know the set number, then you can find the figure in its inventory. So
it would seem that I am back to my first argument - nice to have, and not necessarily
practical or user friendly in terms of look and feel (circular logic). If the
workload involved for the name changes referred to above is the same, then I
would just go for leaving the set numbers off altogether unless a set has not
been inventoried as yet and rather forgo the nice to have for a practical look
and feel.
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| Author: | StormChaser | | Posted: | Nov 24, 2018 14:35 | | Subject: | Re: Seventh Catalog Project - Titles Update | | Viewed: | 35 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, mfav writes:
Thank you very much for making a chart. This kind of in-depth, serious analysis
is greatly appreciated. I haven't had time to look it over completely, but
I wanted to explain the first title section in more detail.
The Minifigs section of the catalog is an item type wherein we group most sizes
and types of figure that TLG has ever made with the exception of a few which
we consider parts:
and those we consider gear:
and those we don't include at all:
* | | 7920-1 (Inv) McDonald's Sports Set Number 5 - Blue Hockey Player #4 polybag
3 Parts, 1 Minifigure, 2004
Sets: Sports: Hockey |
Item types are different than categories and we only have one item type (Minifigs)
to use for a wide variety of figures of differing sizes and types. Some of these
we have given descriptive names (statuette, big figure, microfigure, etc.).
Others we have not (Technic figure, Duplo figure, 4 Juniors figure). The first
part of the title is intended to indicate the type of figure, not the theme (although
theme names are used).
Yes, it is inconsistent. However, the alternative is to come up with non-themed
names to describe each size/type of figure. And yes, as I explained in the original
posting, technically this section should be included for all figures and it should
be organized like this:
Figure, Minifigure
Figure, Technic
Figure, Statuette
Figure, Microfigure
Figure, Big
Figure, Primo
Figure, Duplo Brick
Figure, Duplo, Early Brick
Figure, Duplo, Doll
Figure, Duplo LEGO Ville
Figure, Mini Doll
Figure, Belville
Figure, 4 Juniors
Figure, Quatro
Figure, Fabuland
And so on. The word "figure" is necessary to avoid the appearance that these
are just themes. Since we're genuinely stuck with throwing all figures into
one place, I tried to make the best of it. We should retitle that item type
Figures instead of Minifigs and I will ask if this can be done
(I can't change item types like Sets, Books, Catalogs, etc.).
As for the different sizes and giving every one of those different sizes/types
of figures its own name instead of a theme name, I despair.
BTW, don't take my thoughts on figure titles as any sort of gospel. It's
only a starting point for a discussion. If you came up with your own titling
system independently, then what would it look like?
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| Author: | Give.Me.A.Brick | | Posted: | Nov 24, 2018 14:26 | | Subject: | Re: Seventh Catalog Project - Titles Update | | Viewed: | 35 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, StormChaser writes:
| | In Catalog, mfav writes:
| | I'm just noting that there's a mix of apples and oranges in this column.
|
Right, and I did think of that and disliked it. I have most of the 4 Juniors
sets done now according to the guidelines:
https://www.bricklink.com/catalogListOld.asp?catType=M&catString=516&itemBrand=1000
Honestly, when I see all those set numbers together on one page I don't much
care for the idea of including them at all. For those of you who want set numbers
added to the titles, do you like the way they look?
We could go with including them for one set only and use (Multiple Sets) after
that. This would fix the issue mfav pointed out. But, if I were the only person
deciding, I'd just leave them off completely except for figures which hadn't
yet been included in an inventory. They just look messy to me.
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I like it. Don't look messy at all to me.
Maybe instead of (Multiple Sets) I'd suggest (3+ sets) to address mfav good
point that multiple is more than 1.
Alternatively anything more than 1 set could be (Multiple Sets) I stade of the
sets numbers indeed. Seems the majority of opinions here anyway.
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| Author: | StormChaser | | Posted: | Nov 24, 2018 14:03 | | Subject: | Re: Seventh Catalog Project - Titles Update | | Viewed: | 38 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, mfav writes:
| | I'm just noting that there's a mix of apples and oranges in this column.
|
Right, and I did think of that and disliked it. I have most of the 4 Juniors
sets done now according to the guidelines:
https://www.bricklink.com/catalogListOld.asp?catType=M&catString=516&itemBrand=1000
Honestly, when I see all those set numbers together on one page I don't much
care for the idea of including them at all. For those of you who want set numbers
added to the titles, do you like the way they look?
We could go with including them for one set only and use (Multiple Sets) after
that. This would fix the issue mfav pointed out. But, if I were the only person
deciding, I'd just leave them off completely except for figures which hadn't
yet been included in an inventory. They just look messy to me.
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